TODAY | February 02, 2013
>>> nbc news analyst. nice to have you here.
>> hi, lester. good to be here.
>> we understand this man has a television. so i have to be mindful -- we have to be mindful, we don't know what he's watching this hour. with that in mind, what are the options here? the fact that things are stable, is that in itself a good sign?
>> yeah, it really is. you know, again, my background is a hostage negotiator also. i've been in these situations. i know the fbi negotiators are working very hard with mr. dykes trying to extend to him the hand of freedom, trying to offer him the way to come out of this situation. he probably took this little boy hostage as he was trying to build a defense between him and law enforcement because he was supposed to go to court last wednesday. you know, he's accomplished that. somebody died. know the negotiators will be trying to minimize that and saying it was a terrible thing, but you may not have wanted that to happen. what they would like mr. bykes to do, as -- mr. dykes to do, as you and i may be talking to him now, is come out and tell his side of the story. we've heard neighbors rant and rage and suggest the type of person he is. we also knows he a vietnam veteran , he served his country. this is the time for him to come out, to release that little boy . but for him to stand up and say, "these are the reasons, this is what drove me to this." i think there are millions who are ready to hear what he has to say.
>> we've seen so many movies and tv shows where after ten minutes the swat teams go storming in. first of all, this is a difficult space. a four foot by six-foot-long bunker. regardless of the size and the ease or -- the difficulty of the wait, typically these things end without a raid, do they not?
>> 85% or more of standoff situations like this at least end nonviolently where the individual inside it just sometimes takes hours, sometimes like this one, takes days. but what's positive, lester, is that we know that the little boy that's being held, he's being cared for. he has medication. i heard a report suggesting that there was some type of heat source. we know this is underground, so the temperature is going to be relatively stable. now i'm not making light of this for this little boy to be away from his parents going five days.
>> but the reality is he hasn't been hurt. so law enforcement doesn't want anything -- doesn't want to do anything precipitously that could cause anybody to be hurt at this time when the talking cure will likely work in this situation.
>> yeah. and the term "negotiation" may suggest you give something and you get something back. how far can police go? this man, face it, is wanted in theft the one murder that occurred on the -- is wanted in at least the one murder that occurred on the school bus .
>> i've been in similar situations talking to similar gunmen. you minimize what was done, you suggest to mr. dykes that, you know, your weapon could have gone off accidently, somebody couldn't have grabbed at it. you didn't go on trying to shoot at anybody, you were trying to protect your property, you were afraid of the government, afraid of the sheriff's office. a lot of people today have those thoughts and ideas. come out and they're shows ideas. what the negotiators are trying to do is build this psychological umbilical cord between themselves and mr. dykes where he feels, okay, i'm safe to come out, i want to share my information. i want to make a statement, i want people to hear my side of that. part and parcel of that, of course, is both of them coming out safe.
>> clint, you appreciate insight, and we appreciate you coming on.