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THE ED SHOW with ED SCHULTZ
October 25, 2012

Guests: Barbara Boxer, Michael Tomasky, Kelli Goff, Ron Christie, Rep. Elijah Cummings

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Good evening, Americans. And welcome to THE ED
SHOW from New York.

Twelve days until the 2012 election. Mitt Romney can run, but he
can`t hide from his support for Richard Mourdock.

This is THE ED SHOW -- let`s get to work.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Our destiny is not
written for us, it`s written by us and we`re going to write that next
chapter together. That`s why I`m asking for your vote in this election.

SCHULTZ (voice-over): Florida, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, Virginia, in Los
Angeles with Jay Leno.

OBAMA: The main cure is to make sure you vote.

SCHULTZ: In Nevada with Katy Perry.

KATY PERRY, SINGER: You know, I got my poll outfit sorted, OK?

SCHULTZ: The president is emptying the tank for the final push.

OBAMA: You may notice that my voice sounds just a little hoarse.

SCHULTZ: As Mitt Romney literally runs away from questions about
Mourdock`s rape remarks.

REPORTER: Governor, do you disavow Mourdock`s comments on rape?

SCHULTZ: Tonight, Senator Barbara Boxer on the Romney failure to
lead. "The Daily Beast`s" Michael Tomasky on the president`s momentum and
today`s big endorsement.

Plus, another plutocrat is shaking down employees to vote for Romney.

And Congressman Elijah Cummings on the right wing effort through True
the Vote by intimidating minority voters.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for
watching.

The latest comments about rape have the Republican Party scrambling
and Mitt Romney going silent.

Senate candidate Richard Mourdock out of Indiana caused unwanted
intention when he said pregnancies results from rape are a gift from God.

The story is out there in the popular culture. Comedian Tina Fey took
on Mourdock`s comments last night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TINA FEY, ACTRESS/COMEDIAN: I wish we could have an honest and
respectful dialogue about these complicated issues, but it seems like we
can`t right now. And if I have to listen to one more gray-faced man with a
$2 haircut explain to me what rape is, I`m going to lose my mind.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: The comments were also a topic of conversation on the
"Tonight Show with Jay Leno" where the guest was the president of the
United States.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: I don`t know how these guys come up with these ideas. Let me
make a very simple proposition. Rape is rape. It is a crime.

The second thing this underscores, though, is this is exactly why you
don`t want a bunch of politicians, mostly male, making decisions about
women`s health care decisions.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: President Obama has a consistent message on this topic.
When Congressman Todd Akin made his legitimate rape comments back in
August, the president denounced them in a similar way.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: Let me first of all say the views expressed were offensive.
Rape is rape. And the idea that we should be parsing and qualifying and
slicing what types of rape we`re talking about doesn`t make sense to the
American people. And certainly doesn`t make sense to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Consistency and trust are key messages in the closing days
of the 2012 election. President Obama wants people to know that they can
believe what he says, unlike his opponent.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: You want to know that whoever`s in the Oval Office is going to
fight for you. You want to know that they`re not just going to take the
politically expedient path. And you know what? You know me. You know I
say what I mean and I mean what I say.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: You don`t need to wonder where President Obama stands on the
Akin or Mourdock comments. The same cannot be said for Mitt Romney.

Romney said he still supports the senate candidate, and only says he
disagrees with Mourdock`s position. Today, reporters asked Romney to
elaborate.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: All right. I`ll come around
through there.

REPORTER: Governor, you wish Senator Mourdock would pull that ad?

ROMNEY: Which way are we going?

REPORTER: Governor, do you disavow Mourdock`s comments on rape?

ROMNEY: Ten bucks, we`ll make it even, all right?

(CROSSTALK)

REPORTER: Mourdock`s comments about rape?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Now, compare Romney`s reaction today to his reaction
immediately after Todd Akin`s comments back in August.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROMNEY: His comments about rape were deeply offensive. And I can`t
defend what he said. I can`t defend him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: So Romney has denounced these comments before, but now I
guess it`s just too close to the election, right?

The Republican Party is providing cover for their nominee. Party
leaders say the comments are not important.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FMR. GOV. HALEY BARBOUR (R), MISSISSIPPI: What he said was kind of
crazy, but having said that, this election for president is not about that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: It`s the word "but" that`s the problem.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also called it an election
season distraction. "We`re at the end of an election season here and I
understand each side is looking to make hay out of every comment."

You really think so, Senator?

Senator John McCain in trouble initially said Mourdock needed to
apologize for the comments although this morning McCain`s spokesman said,
sent out a statement saying, "Senator McCain is glad that Mr. Mourdock
apologized to the people of Indiana and clarified his previous statement."

For some reason McCain thinks Mourdock apologized even though he did
the opposite. Mourdock told reporters, "I spoke from my heart, for
speaking from my heart, for speaking from the deepest level of my faith. I
cannot apologize."

They`re all over the place, aren`t they?

Running mate Paul Ryan -- well, he`s also running for cover. He was
supposed to participate in a town hall tonight with conservative activist
Ralph Reed. The event was abruptly canceled with very little notice.

Conservative media also did the best it could today to make the story
go away. FOX News only devoted two minutes and 12 seconds to Mourdock`s
comments yesterday.

Republicans want this story to disappear because Mitt Romney cannot
afford to lose women voters.

A new ad by the Obama campaign makes this very clear.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NARRATOR: Which do you believe? What Mitt Romney`s TV ads say about
women, or what Mitt Romney, himself, says?

ROMNEY: Do I believe Supreme Court should overturn Roe v. Wade? Yes.

And it would be my preference that they reverse Roe v. Wade.

Hopefully reverse Roe v. Wade.

Overturn Roe v. Wade.

Planned Parenthood, we`re going to get rid of that.

I`ll cut off funding to Planned Parenthood.

NARRATOR: No matter what Mitt Romney`s ads say, we know what he`ll
do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: In an interview with "Rolling Stone" magazine President
Obama was asked if he believes Mitt Romney will try and undo Roe v. Wade.
"I don`t think there`s any doubt," the president said. "We know the
current Supreme Court has four members who would overturn Roe v. Wade. All
it takes is one more for that to happen."

The longer Mitt Romney stays silent on this issue the worse he looks.
This is an issue of leadership and character which I think he lacks. At
least Richard Mourdock, as much as I disagree with him, has the guts to
stand up and say what he believes and then stand by it. The same can never
be said for Mitt Romney.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question: Who do you trust when it comes to women`s issues? Text "A" for
President Obama, text "B" for Mitt Romney to 622639.

You can always go to our blog at Ed.MSNBC.com and leave a comment. We
appreciate that. We`ll bring you results later on in the program.

Joining me tonight is Senator Barbara Boxer of California.

Senator, great to have you with us on this very important issue. And
this issue continues to steamroll across the country.

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D), CALIFORNIA: Yes.

SCHULTZ: The latest numbers out show in the swing states that 39
percent of women in the swing states now say that abortion is the number
one issue. Senator, what does this mean?

BOXER: Well, let me just say right now, this is the moment of truth
for Mitt Romney and I think all of America, men and women, will see, all of
us will see, that he`s been tap dancing around all of this for too long.
He is not on the side of women.

It went back to the platform, Ed. You discussed it many times. The
Republican platform said we`re going to make abortion criminal and we`re
not going to protect women who are raped or the victims of incest. And
Mitt Romney never lifted one finger to change it.

Then he picked Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan who said, rape is a method of
conception. Can you imagine?

Then he had Akin, so he spoke out against Akin, but now he`s cut a
commercial for Mourdock who somehow got God into a rape situation.

This is the moment of truth. Do you remember when I was talking about
a war against women last year?

SCHULTZ: I do.

BOXER: And people said, well, what is that about? And I laid it out.
And now, I think it is coming to fruition where everyone sees it.

And I think Mitt Romney is in deep trouble. He said he`d be delighted
if he had legislation to overturn Roe v. Wade. He wants to get rid of
Planned Parenthood. He doesn`t get it.

He doesn`t even know if he`d sign an equal pay act.

SCHULTZ: Do you -- Senator, do you think that we need to hear more
from Mitt Romney on the comment of rape, and is it a gift from God?

BOXER: You know what? I`ve heard enough from Mitt Romney. He tries
to be multiple choice. Ed, you can`t be multiple choice.

A long time ago, he said he was for a woman`s right to choose. Then
he`s against it. Now he accepts this platform that makes women criminals
and doctors criminals. And he is backing Mourdock at this point and he
picked Paul Ryan.

Let`s not forget, Paul Ryan who wanted to make forms of birth control
illegal.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

BOXER: So I don`t need to hear more from him, Ed. I know this guy
has nothing in his heart that indicates to me he stands with women. So
whatever he says you can`t believe it anyway.

SCHULTZ: Senator --

BOXER: You know, you can`t just believe it.

SCHULTZ: Exactly. Do you agree with President Obama that Roe v. Wade
is at stake in this election?

BOXER: Without a doubt. There`s no question about it. It is hanging
by a thread. And that`s a whole issue that people don`t really think
about.

You know, it`s -- there`s so many issues out there. But who picks the
next Supreme Court justices -- that is so important. And when you have a
Republican nominee who didn`t lift a finger to change the Republican
platform, that says abortion will be criminal, and no exception for rape,
no exception for incest.

Look, I want to just say one thing about the issue of rape. I don`t
know if you saw Congresswoman Gwen Moore. She was on one of the shows. I
believe it was -- I don`t remember whose it was. It was on MSNBC. I think
it was Chris.

And she talked about how she was a victim of rape and how you have
post traumatic stress and it scars you for life. Rape is a heinous crime.
In many states, Ed, half the states, there`s in statute of limitations. So
even 10, 20, 30 years later they find DNA, they can prosecute the
perpetrator.

So, we are talking about a serious crime. Instead of being on the
side of the women, Mitt Romney`s all over the place and he stands with the
men, if I could just say, in the Congress who want to do away with women`s
rights and the right of women to privacy and to their health. And they
don`t trust women. And, you know, I believe certainly everyone has a right
to their religion and they should see this issue every way that they want
to. I don`t care --

SCHULTZ: But to legislate, the morality of it is a different thing.
No question.

BOXER: Don`t put it on everybody else. Let them have the right, with
their God and their family and their doctor to make their decision. And
that`s why we see Mitt Romney on the wrong side here. He doesn`t trust
women.

SCHULTZ: Senator Barbara Boxer of California -- great to have you
with us tonight on THE ED SHOW. Thanks so much.

Remember to answer the question at the bottom of the screen. Share
your thoughts on Twitter @EdShow, and on Facebook. We always want to know
what you think.

Coming up, Colin Powell strongly endorsed President Obama today and
has some choice words for Mitt Romney. Michael Tomasky joins me for that
discussion. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Coming up, General Colin Powell doesn`t mince words when it
comes to his thoughts on Mitt Romney. Hear why he`s endorsing President
Obama again.

Then Republicans have accepted Richard Mourdock`s non-apology for his
comments about rape, but will the voters? Keli Goff and Ron Christie join
me for the debate.

And Mitt Romney is running for his strength on his business record,
but his record of outsourcing is and should be very troubling to American
workers. We`ll list all the details when it comes to outsourcing and what
his career has really been about.

Share your thoughts with us on Facebook and on Twitter using #EdShow.
We`re right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: Hello, Iowa. Hello, Colorado. Hello, Nevada. How`s it
going, Tampa? Hello, Virginia.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. And thanks for watching
tonight.

Those are some of the places President Obama has been campaigning over
the past 48 hours. The perception that Mitt Romney had some kind of
momentum has simply dissipated. Today, former Secretary of State Colin
Powell joined the Obama bandwagon again endorsing the president for a
second term. Powell was clear and cutting in his opinion of Mitt Romney.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COLIN POWELL, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Not only am I uncomfortable
with what Governor Romney is proposing for his economic plan, I have
concerns about his using foreign policy. The governor who is speaking on
Monday night at the debate was saying things that were quite different than
what he said earlier. So I`m not quite sure which Governor Romney we would
be getting with respect to foreign policy.

One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but
then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq.
And almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney
agreed with the president with some nuances. But this is quite a different
set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign.

And my concern, which I`ve expressed previously in a public way, is
that sometimes I don`t sense that he has thought through these issues as
thoroughly as he should have and he gets advice from his campaign staff
that he then has to adjust or modify as he goes along. I think there are
some very, very strong neoconservative views that are presented by the
governor that I have some trouble with.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Has not thought through the issues. That`s kind of an
academic way of calling a guy an empty suit, isn`t it?

President Obama acknowledged Powell`s endorsement today in Virginia.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: I was proud and humbled to learn that we have Colin Powell`s
support in this campaign.

(APPLAUSE)

I`m grateful to him for his lifetime of service to this country, both
as a soldier and as a diplomat, and every brave American who wears this
uniform.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Colin Powell said Mitt Romney is all over the map.
President Obama said the same thing in a slightly different way in an
interview with "Rolling Stone" magazine. Upon hearing the "Rolling Stone"
editor`s 6-year-old daughter supports the president, President Obama
grinned and said, "You know, kids have good instincts. They look at the
other guy and say, well, that`s a bull blanker. I can tell."

Today, a new NBC/Marist poll has President Obama up by three in the
state of Nevada. It is a tied game so far in Colorado.

But the "Real Clear Politics" average of Ohio continues to give
President Obama a durable lead.

If the election were held today, President Obama has a clear Electoral
College advantage and he would prevail.

Today, President Obama voted in Chicago, Illinois. It`s the first
time a sitting president has voted early.

I am joined tonight by Michael Tomasky. He is special correspondent
for "Newsweek" and "The Daily Beast."

Michael, good to have you with us tonight.

I want to address this so-called momentum that the Romney campaign
has. In fact, I think they`ve actually done a pretty good job, fairly
effective job of feeding the narrative that there is some kind of role
taking place for them. But was it a false narrative, and do you think it`s
a false narrative?

MICHAEL TOMASKY, NEWSWEEK/THE DAILY BEAST: Yes, I think it`s a lot of
spin, Ed. And I wrote this the other day and others have written it since
as well.

There`s no question that Romney had momentum coming out of the first
debate and there`s no question that that momentum lasted for a pretty long
time. But that momentum also hit a wall over the course of the past week,
over the course of the last several days, and you could see that in
particularly in state polls that came out that showed that Romney had
closed gaps in some places, but those gaps weren`t closing anymore. In
fact, were maybe re-widening in some cases.

But the Romney campaign -- and I don`t blame them for this in a way,
it`s their job. It`s the media`s job to call you-know-what on it.

SCHULTZ: Sure.

TOMASKY: But the Romney campaign over the last few days have been
saying, we have it, we`ve got it in bag, on background, 305 electoral
votes. You know, Ohio -- no, don`t believe those public polls, we have
internals, so on and so forth. They`re really trying to spin the press to
say our momentum is still going and we`re ahead. I don`t think it`s true.

SCHULTZ: The most notable endorsement, I think so far, is Colin
Powell. And he just didn`t simply oppose Romney on foreign aid or domestic
policy. He supports the president. Here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

POWELL: I`m more comfortable with President Obama and his
administration when it comes to issues like what are we going to do about
climate, what are we going to do about immigration, what are we going to do
about education? Lots of things like that.

I don`t want to see the Obamacare plan thrown off the table.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Obamacare, that`s all the conservatives talk about. How
much of an impact does Powell`s endorsement going to have to help the
president, you think?

TOMASKY: I think Powell has some impact. You know, he`s being
dismissed inside the beltway today. This endorsement is being dismissed
inside the Beltway because it`s not really news. It would only have been
news if Powell had endorsed Romney.

Now, I grant that. If Powell had switched sides, and endorsed Mitt
Romney, that would have been a much bigger story. But that doesn`t mean it
doesn`t count for anything outside the Beltway.

SCHULTZ: Sure.

TOMASKY: Most Americans, still, regard Colin Powell pretty well,
pretty highly. If you`re an undecided voter at this point and you`re not a
-- you know, highly political person, and you`re paying attention to late
signals, Colin Powell`s endorsement matters. It sits on this side of the
scale as some kind of factor. There`s no question about it.

SCHULTZ: It must be deemed as a big deal by the president and the
staff because the president mentioned it today.

Now, after losing the first debate, has President Obama been doing an
effective job of dismantling Romney`s contradictions? I mean, there`s a
lot of them out there, but he just -- I mean, that is his stump speech
right now, who is the real Mitt Romney?

TOMASKY: Yes. And I think it`s the right stump speech to have. And
I think, you know, it also needs to say that, you know, there`s this old
Romney who took these old positions, you know, pro-choice and so forth, as
Senator Boxer mentioned in the previous segment. There`s this Romney who
campaigned against Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. Now there`s this
Romney who appeared since October 3rd.

Who is this guy? What is his core? And the important question, to
me, Ed, what is he actually going to do as president?

SCHULTZ: Sure.

TOMASKY: Which Romney is going to be sitting in that Oval Office?
And I think the Romney that`s going to be sitting in the Oval Office is the
Romney who made the promises to the right wing over the course of the last
18 months. That`s the deal that I think Obama has to sell.

SCHULTZ: This is President Obama in Ohio. We`re looking live at the
president getting off Air Force One. Ohio, he`s spending a lot of time in
Ohio, and doesn`t take a rocket scientist to figure out that whoever wins
Ohio is probably going to win the presidency.

Which I find curious that Paul Ryan is in Alabama and also in Atlanta,
Georgia. Maybe he doesn`t do Ohio any favors campaigning there for the
Romney campaign because of his budget and their stance on the automobile
loan.

Is -- has the president focused on the right places? I mean, it`s
very intense.

TOMASKY: I think he is focused on the right places. You know, he
doesn`t actually even need Ohio in the same way that Romney does. Obama
can get to 272, 275 without Ohio. But if he has Ohio, boy, he`s pretty
well got it locked. Because then if he has Ohio, he only needs one of
Iowa, Colorado, Nevada. And he`s ahead in Iowa and Nevada and tied in
Colorado.

So, nailing down Ohio would be a big, big thing for him.

SCHULTZ: Michael Tomasky, great to have you with us tonight. Thanks
so much.

TOMASKY: Pleasure.

SCHULTZ: A class act. That`s how one Republican Senate candidate
describes Richard Mourdock. Next, Ron Christie and Keli Goff weigh in on
that and much more about Republican brand.

And later, a right wing group, voter intimidation, is going to put a
million poll watchers around the country on Election Day. Congressman
Elijah Cummings is outraged. He`s written about. He`s with us tonight.

Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: I don`t think any politician in Washington, most of whom are
male, should be making health care decisions for women. Women can make
those decisions themselves.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: And we are back. That was President Obama today.

Mitt Romney is literally trying to run away from questions about
Richard Mourdock. Mourdock said, at a debate earlier this week, that
pregnancies resulting from rape are a gift from god.

Now, Mourdock`s fellow Republican candidates are having to answer
those kinds of questions about those comments on the campaign trail. Ohio
Senate candidate Josh Mandel was asked yesterday to weigh in on Mourdock`s
remarks. Mandel refused to take a position on the matter.

Today, oh, it was a different story. Mandel went on a conservative
radio talk show, and falsely claimed that the Indiana candidate has
apologized for his comments.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

JOSH MANDEL (R-OH), SENATE CANDIDATE: He`s a gentleman. He`s a class
act. He`s a thoughtful guy. He`ll make a great United States senator.

I think yesterday, since he apologized for his comments and I think he
was right in apologizing for them.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Let`s turn to Kelli Goff tonight, political correspondent
for TheRoot.com. And also with us tonight, Republican strategist Ron
Christie. Great to have both of you with us.

Ron, let me ask you first, is Richard Mourdock an asset for the
Republican party?

RON CHRISTIE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: On a national level, no, I don`t
think he is. I think what we`re trying to do -- politics is about
addition, rather than subtraction. You need to attract more folks to vote
for you, to vote for your candidate, to vote for your ticket.

I don`t agree with what he said. I`m pro-life. I thought what he
said was wrong. I think he should apologize. I think that he should be
very outspoken and say, what I said was wrong.

But Governor Romney has been very consistent. He said, I don`t agree
with his comments. I don`t believe in his comments. But yet and still,
that`s not about this race.

SCHULTZ: Kelli?

KELLI GOFF, THEROOT.COM: Well, the problem with that, though, is you
can`t really have it both ways. We all know that the problem for
politicians is it`s not when they make a mistake. It`s often the cover-up
or the after the fact. I think the problem that Governor Romney is having
is how to you say you don`t agree with something, but you`re not going to
revoke an endorsement and you`re going to continue to support someone?

And I think it plays into the problematic narrative about Governor
Romney, which is that he -- you know, Etch a Sketch, right, you never know
where he actually stands, right?

SCHULTZ: I think it`s important to point out, Ron, that, you know,
when Akin said these comments, Governor Romney said he should step out.
Why isn`t he saying that now with Mr. Mourdock?

CHRISTIE: That`s for Governor Romney to make that decision.

SCHULTZ: But he`s not consistent.

CHRISTIE: No.

SCHULTZ: He`s got to be consistent.

CHRISTIE: I am consistent.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

CHRISTIE: I think Todd Akin should have bowed out of that race. I
think he should not be our candidate. I don`t like what Mourdock said. I
think that`s wrong. And I think that is absolutely the not correct
position to take.

SCHULTZ: Aren`t we getting two different answers from Romney on this?

CHRISTIE: No, we`re not. Now, look, I think what Akin said was so
reprehensible and so wrong -- and, again, if you`re pro-life and you
believe that this is part of God`s will, I can see, from a pro-life
perspective, from being pro-life, where he`s coming from. I just don`t
agree with that.

SCHULTZ: But will you -- do you think there`s two different reactions
as far as Akin and Mourdock when it comes to Romney?

GOFF: Of course. We all know what`s driving those two different
reactions, which is the election is a lot close and they can`t pull another
candidate together this quickly. What are they going to say? He has to
get out of the race and let the Democrat win? They`re not going to say
that.

Instead, they`re just kind of treading water and, you know, hoping
that they can just sort of get through election day with this not being an
albatross that sinks their ship.

SCHULTZ: He`s not saying -- he won`t answer reporters` questions on
the campaign trail today. I mean, he will not defend the party platform.

CHRISTIE: Now, Ed, come on. This president, I can`t even remember
the last time the president of the United States has actually had a live
press conference with the White House press corps. He has ducked the press
corps. He`s consistently not wanted to deal with that.

SCHULTZ: We`re not talking about press conferences. We`re talking
about this issue.

CHRISTIE: And I will be very consistent on this as well.

SCHULTZ: The president has been consistent on this.

CHRISTIE: I think Governor Romney has been very consistent on this as
well. I think the consistency that I`m talking about is that Akin`s
comments were reprehensible. Mourdock`s comments, I can understand that
from being pro-life. Romney said he didn`t agree with them and he said we
need to move on.

GOFF: Here`s the problem --

SCHULTZ: Wait a minute, we`re talking about defending the party
platform right now. That`s what Romney is not doing.

(CROSS TALK)

SCHULTZ: He`s asked questions about it on the campaign trail and
doesn`t respond.

CHRISTIE: Ed, this is -- Mourdock`s comments do not represent the
Republican party, the republican platform. That is one individual --

GOFF: Actually they do.

CHRISTIE: No, he`s pro-life.

SCHULTZ: OK. He`s pro-life. But Paul Ryan has stated it doesn`t
matter what caused the conception.

CHRISTIE: No. Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney have both said the same
thing.

SCHULTZ: Kelli?

(CROSS TALK)

CHRISTIE: They believe there`s an inception for rape and incest.

GOFF: No, no, no, no. What Paul Ryan said on video, which you can
find in my column -- a little plug there, a link to that -- is he said that
he doesn`t believe the method of conception, which is how he describe rape,
should dictate the outcome. But he said, however, I`m part of the Romney
platform. I support the Romney platform.

CHRISTIE: I`ve known Paul Ryan for 21 years. He`s been very
consistent, as has Governor Romney. They believe in an exception for rape
and incest.

GOFF: No, Paul Ryan does not believe in an exception for rape and
incest, unless he`s saying something privately to you than he`s saying
differently in public. That is not what he has been saying, Ron.

CHRISTIE: This is small ball. This election is so big.

GOFF: Can I say as a woman --

CHRISTIE: No, no, I`m not going to interrupt you, but I was talking.
This election is about the economy. This election is about how many folks
are in poverty, how many folks are on Food Stamps.

SCHULTZ: I don`t deny that. This is the story that has evolved.

CHRISTIE: If the Democrats want to focus on contraception and they
want to focus on abortion rather than the direction of this country, I
think it`s a mistake.

SCHULTZ: Ron, it`s your candidate in Indiana who has blown this story
wide open nationally, and forcing candidates to respond to it. Do you
stand with Mourdock?

CHRISTIE: No, absolutely not.

SCHULTZ: I know not you, but I`m talking about the candidates.

GOFF: I`m not going to interrupt if you don`t hog the mike. Let me
say this, as a woman, I really take great issue when I hear yet another man
say it`s small ball to talk about reproductive rights and reproductive
women`s health and access to those things. That`s not small ball to me and
it`s not small ball to a lot of women who are watching this program and who
are going to be voting. It`s an important issue.

CHRISTIE: You find, my friend, someone who is trying to deny a woman
access to contraception, access to reproductive rights.

GOFF: He is. Mourdock is. You`re saying Mourdock isn`t trying to --

CHRISTIE: We`re talking about the presidential election. This is a
Senate candidate. We`re talking about Mitt Romney. Ed tried to tie it in
to Mitt Romney.

SCHULTZ: Romney`s not responding to it. That`s the point. That`s
the whole point. He cut an ad endorsing the guy, Ron. He`s the only
Senate candidate that Mitt Romney has gone out and endorsed on camera.

CHRISTIE: He did. And Mitt Romney has also gone out and also issued
a statement saying he doesn`t agree with those comments.

GOFF: He`s leaving the ad up to support him. That`s how much he
disagrees.

SCHULTZ: Kelli Goff, Ron Christie, great to have you with us tonight.
There`s a lot more coming up in the next half hour of THE ED SHOW. Stay
with us.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS (D), MARYLAND: True to Vote has consistently
challenged the voting rights of legitimate voters.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Elijah Cummings says Tea Party activists at True
the Vote are planning to harass minority voters across the country on
election day. New reporting suggests they will target Latinos. The
congressman joins me next.

Another boss is threatening employees if they don`t vote Romney. The
story from Wisconsin is ahead.

And the jobs being outsourced by Sensata are just the tip of the
iceberg in Mitt Romney`s economy. I`ll expand the map and make the case
tonight.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. And thanks for watching
tonight. There are new concerns a right wing group tied to the Koch
Brothers is planning to intimidate voters on election day. True the Vote
is a Tea Party vote monitoring organization based in Texas. They are
planning to station one million poll watchers across the country on
election day.

The group claims their mission is "to restore truth, faith and
integrity to our elections." But if you look at True the Vote`s history,
their real goal is to harass minority voters and scare them out of voting.
Back in 2010, their dirty tricks caused the Justice Department to get
involved. The group was accused of hovering over voters, getting into
election workers` faces and blocking or disrupting lines of voters.

True the Vote`s targeting of minorities is no secret. And this year
they are going after Latinos. The group recently announced a new Voto
Honesto Initiative. They claim it encourages Hispanics to vote. But the
program is really aimed at informing Latinos of penalties involved with
voter fraud. True the vote has been attempting to purge legitimate voters
off voting rolls around the country.

These voter suppression and intimidation tactics have Maryland
Congressman Elijah Cummings outraged. He sent two letters demanding
documents from the organization True the Vote. In his most recent letter,
he asked for details on the group`s election day poll watching plans.

For more on this, let`s turn to the congressman from Maryland, Elijah
Cummings, with us tonight, the ranking member on the House Oversight and
Government Reform Committee. Congressman, good to have you with us
tonight.

CUMMINGS: It`s good to be with you.

SCHULTZ: I know you`re passionate about this. You`ve written twice
on it. What information do you want the True the Vote people to bring
forth before the election about what their plans are on election day?

CUMMINGS: Well, first of all, Ed, I believe that voting is a right,
and that it is not just limited to a few selective people. Any effort to
block people from voting is clearly unpatriotic and just offensive.

But here with regard to True the Vote, we`ve got to -- we`ve asked
them to tell us how are they targeting the voting places? In other words,
where are they sending these people to? And what criteria are they using?
What kind of history do they have of any kind of fraudulent activity?

Ed, I am thoroughly convinced that this is an effort to intimidate
voters. And they know it. And basically we have not been able to get any
decent response from them yet. They said they were going to cooperate with
us, but suddenly they`ve gone on silent.

SCHULTZ: How confrontational do you think these poll watchers are
going to get?

CUMMINGS: Oh, I think it will become very confrontational.
Thankfully, in states like Maryland, we`ve put together a cadre of lawyers
and others to make sure that people are protected from these folks. And I
-- you know, the fact is, Ed, that I think that they will do almost
anything to stop people from voting. And it is extremely --

SCHULTZ: What do you mean anything?

CUMMINGS: In other words, you know, what we found in Maryland is
we`ve had, particularly our senior citizens -- they`re going to the polls
and people are harassing them. The other thing that True to Vote does is
they`ll go up to the election officials, like right in the polling place,
and begin to challenge various people. And then what they do is they hold
up the line. And when they hold up the line, it`s just usually already
crowded. So on election day, it gets crowded and people then turn away.
And that`s exactly what they want them to do.

SCHULTZ: And they`re not operating under any official capacity
whatsoever.

CUMMINGS: No. No.

SCHULTZ: So what about people going to vote? Do they need to be
mentally prepared to run into these poll watchers?

CUMMINGS: I think they need to be mentally prepared, Ed. But I want
them to know that all over the country, various states have folks that are
going to be out there to protect them and make sure they`re OK. But people
have to -- I don`t want people to be fearful. As a matter of fact, most of
the people I`ve talked to have told me the more they hear about all of
these efforts of trying to stop them from voting, the more they want to
vote.

SCHULTZ: Are they illegal activities, congressman?

CUMMINGS: With regard to what True to Vote is doing?

SCHULTZ: Absolutely.

CUMMINGS: No doubt about it. They claim that they`re doing legal
things. But the fact is, come on, Ed, if you`re standing around harassing
people, people who want to go out and exercise their right, their very
fundamental right of our democracy, and then you`re going to be bothering
them, that`s wrong.

SCHULTZ: Do you think these workers, these True the Vote workers and
their poll monitoring tactics, do you think they`re being coordinated with
the Republican party?

CUMMINGS: I have -- we have very strong evidence that, in fact, they
are. And, again --

SCHULTZ: They are? The GOP is behind this?

CUMMINGS: I have no doubt about it. And keep in mind, the head of
True to Vote has already made it clear that she absolutely -- those are her
words -- is about the business of making a change in the White House.

SCHULTZ: OK.

CUMMINGS: Come on, now, if you`re really being transparent and trying
to bring, you know, honesty to the election process, you`re not one sided
one way or the other. So clearly that`s her intention. That`s their
intention. And we also have evidence that they put out a person who was a
Democrat who was trying to join them, and they said, no, we don`t want you.

So we`ve seen quite a bit of evidence. Hopefully they`ll come clean.
But I`ve got a feeling they`re not going to come clean until after the
election.

SCHULTZ: All right, Congressman Elijah Cummings, great to have you
with us tonight on this very important story.

Coming up, yet another CEO tells his employees if President Obama is
re-elected, there will be consequences. They call it education. I call it
intimidation. Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROMNEY: I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you
believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and, therefore, their
job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with
me or you agree with President Obama or whatever your political view, I
hope -- I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal
about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the
business.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Make it very clear. Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. Obviously
Mitt Romney talking back in June, urging a group of business owners to let
employees know how their vote in November could affect their job. And in
the countdown to election day, we`ve witnessed a number of CEOs telling
their employees to vote for Mitt Romney or suffer the consequences.

Let`s add Mike White to the list. He is the owner of a Milwaukee
manufacturing company called Rite-Hite to the list. We`ll add them to the
list tonight. In a letter obtained by the "Milwaukee Journal Sentinel."
White warns his 1,400 employees of "personal consequences they`ll face if
President Obama is reelected." He writes to his employees, "on top of the
burden of having your personal taxes increase dramatically, which they
will, your RSP contributions and healthy retirement are also at risk."

White, he also states that he would likely be forced to drop
employees, the Rite Hite insurance for Obamacare due to the competitive
need, or as he puts it in this thinly veiled threat, "every opportunity to
make up for lost profits to taxes will have to be evaluated."

As "the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel" points out, White`s letter seems
to fall under a provision of state election laws which says "no employer or
agent of any employer may distribute to any employee printed matter
containing any threat, notice or information that if a particular ticket of
a particular party or organization or candidate is elected, the salaries or
wages of the employees will be reduced or other threats intended to
influence the political opinions or actions of the employees."

These bully business owners can continue to claim they`re simply just
educating their workers in the workforce, but let`s call it what it is:
intimidation.

Tonight in our survey, I asked you who do you trust when it comes to
women`s issues? Ninety seven percent of you say President Obama; three
percent of you say Mitt Romney.

Coming up, the Romney economy. Mitt Romney makes money while American
workers lose their jobs. We`ll show you what Romney`s policies are costing
the country. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROMNEY: I understand how the economy works. I spent my life working
in the real economy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: The real economy? Thanks for staying with us tonight,
folks. We need to focus big-time on this. American workers are learning
what Mitt Romney means when he talks about his experience with the real
economy. Workers in Freeport, Illinois, where we did the show on Friday
night, they are suffering from Mitt Romney`s economy firsthand. They`re
feeling it.

Now, we have been reporting on this show about the 170 Sensata workers
who are losing their jobs. Romney`s company, Bain Capital, controls
Sensata. Bain`s shutting down the plant and shipping the equipment and
jobs overseas. Workers have been fighting the plant closure for months.
Fourteen people have been arrested.

Tonight, workers sent us this video. Sensata had told them that they
could stay home if they felt threatened by protests. Instead, a handful of
workers walked off the job to join the protesters in a show of solidarity.

They call their town Bainport. How appropriate? There are a lot of
Bainports all over the country. In fact, there are lots of towns and lots
of workers who have been hit hard by Romney`s company and what his vision
for America is when it comes to the economy.

Mitt Romney is an expert at closing companies and making a dollar. In
fact, I would say he is a pioneer. Let`s take a look at the record. The
"Wall Street Journal" reviewed 77 of the businesses Bain Capital acquired
while Romney was in charge; 22 percent of them either went bankrupt,
reorganized, or shut down.

But while those companies were dying, Bain investors were living it
up. They were making a dollar. In fact, Bain made 50 to 80 percent of its
holdings in profits each year. Romney profited while, what, American
workers took it in the shorts and lost their jobs.

Now, it`s not illegal. It`s just what happened. This is his economy.

Tonight on this program we want to show you some of the other
Freeports around the country. Let`s start with American Pad and Paper or
Ampad. Romney was in charge when Bain acquired this company in 1992. By
1999, Ampad, they were bankrupt, 385 employees were laid off. Bain
liquidated its interests and made only 102 million dollars.

The former managing director of Bain Capital says Romney was directly
responsible for Ampad`s layoffs. But he knew where the money was, didn`t
he? Mitt Romney did the same thing to this company called GST Steel.
Romney was in charge when Bain acquired a majority share in 1993.

Bain emerged -- he went ahead and put it together with another steel
maker in South Carolina. By 2001, GST Steel was bankrupt. And another 750
Americans were out of a job. Bain made at least -- let`s see -- 12 million
dollars on the acquisition and collected 900,000 dollars a year in what
they call consulting fees. That`s when some guy calls you up and says,
what do you think we ought to do? Fire the workers, send the jobs to China
and take the freaking money.

Are we starting to see a pattern here? Bain acquired DDI while Romney
was in charge in 1997. The company made electronic circuit boards. They
just filed for bankruptcy in 2003. Some of the employees were offered
transfers. But at least 2,100 out the door. Gone.

Now, to be fair, Romney was not on the board of directors when DDI
went under, but his company made about 36 million dollars on that deal.
Cambridge Industries is also a good example of another company losing money
while Mitt Romney was in charge.

The model is no matter how poorly a company does, Romney can still go
in there with his boys and just make a ton of money and charge these
massive consulting fees. Bain acquired Cambridge in 1995. It`s an
automotive plastics supplier. Five years later, Cambridge, what did they
do? They went bankrupt.

There`s no record of how many jobs were actually lost on this deal,
but union leaders say it was at least 1,000. In the end, Bain made just a
slim 10 million dollars on this deal in fees.

In 1994, Bain invested in a company which makes medical devices in
Miami. Mitt Romney shut the company down three years later. At least
1,000 workers lost their jobs. We`re not sure how much money Mitt Romney
made on that deal, but we do know that Bain charged its usual multi-million
dollar consulting fees.

The list goes on and on and on. So when I hear Mitt Romney say that
he understands this economy, the only thing he understands is kicking
workers to the side of the road and turning them into road kill and taking
the money and going out the back door and, oh, by the way, having the money
planted overseas.

Ask yourself the question: is this the economy you want in America?

That`s "THE ED SHOW." I`m Ed Schultz.

THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW starts right now. Good evening, Rachel.

RACHEL MADDOW, HOST: Good evening, Ed. Amazing show tonight, my
friend.

SCHULTZ: Thank you.

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