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    MATT LAUER, co-host: Legendary rock band KISS has had fans rockin' and rollin' all night long for nearly 40 years. But former lead guitarist Ace Frehley says when the makeup came off sometimes the backstage drama would begin. He writes about that, the band's rise to worldwide fame, and his own struggles with drugs and alcohol, and his eventual departure from KISS in his new book called " No Regrets , A Rock 'n' Roll Memoir." Ace , good to have you here. Good morning.

    Mr. ACE FREHLEY (Author, "No Regrets: A Rock 'n' Roll Memoir"): Good morning. It's great to be here.

    LAUER: I think anybody who watched KISS over the years, probably the thought crossed their mind that you guys dabbled in drugs a little bit when they got to see you. But.

    Mr. FREHLEY: A little bit.

    LAUER: Yeah, just a bit. How big a part of the band's existence was it?

    Mr. FREHLEY: Well, it wasn't so much Paul or Gene doing it. Mostly me and Peter were the bad guys when it came to that. But, you know, over the years it escalated and luckily, I caught it in time and, you know, today I luckily -- I'm five years sober and you know, everyday above ground...

    LAUER: Is a good day.

    Mr. FREHLEY: ...is a good day.

    LAUER: You had dabbled with drugs as a kid. When you got to a rock band ...

    Mr. FREHLEY: Not so much as a kid. It was more alcohol when I was a kid .

    LAUER: Did you feel, though, when you got to a rock band that it was in some ways expected of you, that it was just part of the scene?

    Mr. FREHLEY: Well, it was a big part of the scene. I mean, you've got to realize, you know, Studio 54 and that whole scene in Manhattan in the '70s, a lot of people were doing cocaine, you know? It -- most people were doing it openly in those days.

    LAUER: And I don't want to make light of the addiction because it took a toll.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Oh.

    LAUER: And it's a very serious subject but you do write something that caught my attention in this and you guys actually developed a code name for cocaine. Do you want to share it with our viewers?

    Mr. FREHLEY: Well, we called it Betty White , you know? And you know...

    LAUER: Why would you pick on poor Betty White ?

    Mr. FREHLEY: Why -- if I was going to a party I'd call up my buddy and I would say, 'Is Betty going to be there,' and if he said -- he said yes, then we'd know what would be there.

    LAUER: She's like the personification of good. I'm not sure she'd...

    Mr. FREHLEY: I mean -- it's the perfect name. And she's such a great lady and I just love her to death.

    LAUER: You write a lot in the book about your relationship with Gene Simmons , obviously your bandmate. And it was -- it was an up-and-down relationship. What was the source of the tension when the tension existed?

    Mr. FREHLEY: Well, I would -- I made those guys very nervous. I mean there were times when they thought I was never going to make it on stage and finish the show or even begin a show but somehow some way I always ended up, you know, coming through. And a lot of people think there was a love-hate relationship going on with me and Gene . And it appears that way more to the people outside looking in, but you know, me and Gene actually have a good relationship. You know, I had lunch with him at the Beverly Hills Hotel about five weeks ago.

    LAUER: But you do write, you call him a loner. You question whether he had a sex addiction .

    Mr. FREHLEY: True.

    LAUER: You say he tried to rewrite KISS 's history by downplaying your contributions to the band.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Absolutely.

    LAUER: Have you talked to him about that?

    Mr. FREHLEY: No.

    LAUER: Why not? You had lunch with him a month ago.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Because -- yeah, but I wanted to keep it light. I hadn't seen him since we received, you know, the VH1 Rock Honors Award . And I just wanted to re-establish communication because it had been five years and just let him know that I'm clean and sober and I just kind of wanted to wipe the slate clean and, you know, look towards the future.

    LAUER: I also got the sense that you felt Gene Simmons was more about commercializing the band.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Oh, he's very businesslike.

    LAUER: And you seem to want to be more in the rock 'n roll for art for art's sake.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Well, one of the reasons I left the band was I mean, I got into rock 'n roll because here I am. You're getting paid for something you love to do. When it wasn't fun anymore, it was time to go . And towards the end it wasn't fun anymore.

    LAUER: Gene Simmons gave us a statement when we reached out to him. He says "We love Ace , we wish him the best. Sobriety isn't easy and he needs to surround himself with people who care about him enough to be tough on him. Ace will win. I know it."

    Mr. FREHLEY: Hell of a guy.

    LAUER: You know, you talk in the book, you write in the book about how some of your shows, after a while, they became less about being free wheeling, spontaneous rock concert , and they became more like Broadway shows .

    Mr. FREHLEY: Yeah.

    LAUER: And you even talk about how choreographed they became and they were dangerous after awhile.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Not cool. Well, they had to be choreographed because we had smoke bombs and flash pots and all sorts of stuff going on, so if we're at the wrong place at the wrong time, you know, you'd get blown up.

    LAUER: You'd get your head blown off if you were.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Literally.

    LAUER: You were supposed to be there. That's why you got a flash pot in the head.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Yeah, yeah. I mean Gene 's hair went on fire a couple of times.

    LAUER: You hated playing the song, "I Was Made For Loving You ." Why?

    Mr. FREHLEY: Well, my wrist used to cramp up. You know, I played that chug-a chug-a, tic-a, tic-a, tic-a, you know, I'm doing this, you know for.

    LAUER: For like six minutes.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Yeah. And my wrist is ready to fall off, and it's ready to cramp up, you know. Plus, I mean, it was kind of a -- it had a disco feel to it and I was never a big disco guy.

    LAUER: When you look back, have -- you know, every kid or a lot of kids dream of being rock stars . You've lived it.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Yeah.

    LAUER: And now extricated yourself from it. Was it everything you expected it would be?

    Mr. FREHLEY: Everything and more . But, you know, there was also a dark side to it and a lot of that had to do with my addictions. You know, but luckily, you know, I was able to conquer my demons. You know, but I'm just excited about being an author.

    LAUER: Yeah, are you kidding? After all these years .

    Mr. FREHLEY: And I 'm making the transition from guitar god to author, you know.

    LAUER: Ace Frehley , it's great to see you. Good to have you here.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Thank you so much .

    LAUER: And I want to mention to people that you're going to be back with Hoda and Kathie Lee in the fourth hour.

    Mr. FREHLEY: Right.

    LAUER: And again the book is called " No Regrets , A Rock 'n' Roll Memoir." Up next, " Top Chef "'s Padma Lakshmi whips up some sloppy joes. We're going to head upstairs for that. But first, this is TODAY on NBC .

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As one of the original members of KISS, flamboyant guitarist Ace Frehley was instrumental in not only making putting the band on the rock n’ roll map, but also turning them into a household name around the world. In “No Regrets,” Frehley looks back at the band’s humble beginnings. Here’s an excerpt.

I loved playing the guitar and I knew I was pretty good at it, so that’s what I wanted to do with my life.

There were no other options. I had to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to come along. Which it did, in the form of an advertisement that appeared in the Village Voice on December 17, 1972.

LEAD GUITARIST WANTED
With Flash and Ability. Album Out Shortly. No time wasters please.
Paul

I didn’t know who “Paul” was. Nor did I know anything about the band he fronted or the supposed record deal they’d secured. This was a free ad, one of hundreds I’d read over the years. Like any New York musician with an ounce of ambition, I scanned the classifieds regularly, looking for new and interesting opportunities, especially with bands that claimed to have record contracts or upcoming tours. There was no shortage of these; from experience, though, I knew most were pure bulls__t, and thus easily ignored. For some reason, though, this one was intriguing. I figured, F__k, I have flash, and I sure as hell have ability. I doubted the part about the band having an album “out soon,” but it seemed worth investigating, at the very least.

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So I picked up the phone and dialed the number that appeared at the bottom of the Village Voice ad. On the phone was the man who had placed the ad, Paul Stanley. (It wasn’t until much later that I would discover that his real name was Stanley Eisen. I still find it interesting that I was the only member of KISS who performed under his actual surname.) Paul was professional and businesslike on the phone. He asked me about my credentials and my appearance (“I look a little like Keith Richards,” I said, playing up the fact that I was tall, skinny, and had long hair—pretty much the way every guitar player looked in those days); told me a little bit about their project, about how they wanted to be a theatrical band that played loud, hard rock; and then told me they would be conducting auditions in a couple of weeks.

“You’re welcome to come down,” he said.

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I hesitated, partly because I didn’t want to seem too eager, but also because I was naturally skeptical. I’d been down this road before, most recently with Molimo. The idea of auditioning for a group of guys who probably didn’t even have a record deal, and, for all I knew, couldn’t play worth a damn, didn’t exactly get my motor running.

“Maybe,” I said. “I’ll think about it.”

I decided to get some feedback from my buddy Chris Cassone, who was also a guitar player (and who would later become a successful sound engineer).

“Hey, Chris, you see that ad in the Village Voice?”

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“Yeah,” he said. “Interesting.”

“I know, man. I’m thinking about going down there.”

There was a pause.

“Me, too.”

This surprised me. Chris was a solid guitar player, but he really didn’t have the rock star look. He dressed like a prep school kid and didn’t have long hair.

“Don’t take this the wrong way, Chris . . . but I’m not sure you have the image they want.”

The open audition was scheduled for January 3, 1973, which gave me a few weeks to consider the invitation. If I’d known the truth at the time, I probably would have stayed home that day, which obviously would have been the mistake of a lifetime. What I didn’t know, fortunately, was that Paul and his partner in this project, Gene Klein (whom I would come to know as Gene Simmons), had played together in a band called Wicked Lester, and while they had indeed been offered a contract from Epic Records, that deal had fallen through. So the ad, like so many others I’d come across, was not entirely true. At the very least, it was misleading.

But that’s okay. It’s become part of KISS mythology and I’m cool with that, just as I’m all right with some people thinking the Village Voice advertisement sought a “guitarist with flash and balls.” Nope. The term was “flash and ability.” Paul and Gene have long maintained that the Village Voice refused to print the word “balls,” and instead substituted “ability.” I don’t know if that’s true or not—seems unlikely, considering the Voice was a liberal publication that had never been shy about allowing profanity on its pages—but it makes for a good story, I guess.

Here’s another good story: my mom had to drive me to the audition.

I had come to the conclusion that I had nothing to lose. What was the worst that could happen? I’d get to jam with some guys downtown. If they were talentless hacks and the whole thing turned out to be fraudulent, well, so what? I’d have invested nothing more than a few hours of my time. And maybe, just maybe, it would turn out to be something more than that.

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On the afternoon of the audition I dragged my 50-watt Marshall amp (armed with eight ten-inch speakers) out to the curb and stuffed it into the trunk of my parents’ Cadillac. There was no requirement for aspirants to show up with their own amp, but I thought it would give me more confidence, and more of an edge; I also presumed my Marshall would be superior to anything these guys had at their loft. It was a great amp, and sounded even better with my single-pickup Gibson Reverse Firebird blowing through its speakers, the same model Clapton used on the Cream farewell tour. I knew how to get great sustain and feedback out of this combo, and I wasn’t willing to settle for something less. There had been other times when I had plugged into someone else’s amp; the results had almost always been disappointing.

I’ll say this about my mom: She was pretty cool about the whole thing. She knew I had talent and probably figured if I was going to make something of myself in life, music would be the likely avenue. And, of course, I was her baby boy, so she worried and fretted about my happiness and safety. When I told her I needed a ride downtown to audition for this new band (couldn’t bring the amp on the subway, and I didn’t have the money for cab fare), she was more than willing to lend a hand. I don’t think she had any inkling that it would turn out the way it did; you never know if any audition will lead to anything, right? Most are dead ends. As she sat behind the wheel of the Caddy, waiting for me to load my gear into the trunk, I’m sure her mind was elsewhere—probably trying to figure out what we would have for dinner that night. It couldn’t possibly have occurred to her that I was about to join what would become one of the biggest rock groups in the world.

Reprinted from "No Regrets" by Ace Frehley with Joe Layden and John Ostrosky © 2011 by Ace Frehley with Joe Layden and John Ostrosky. Used with permission of the publisher, Gallery Books/MTV Books, a division of Simon & Schuster.

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Photos: Bands of the 70s that just won't quit

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  1. AC/DC

    Scottish brothers Malcolm and Angus Young formed AC/DC in 1973 with bassist Larry Van Kriedt, vocalist Dave Evans and drummer Colin Burgess. The bassist and drummer roles changed a lot in the early years before finally Mark Evans and Phil Rudd settled in. Dave Evans was replaced by Bon Scott in 1974. The band’s classic album “Highway to Hell” was released in 1979 and Scott died a year later in 1980. Brian Johnson replaced Scott and the band went on to release “Back in Black.” In 2008, the band released its first album in eight years, “Black Ice.” The band hit the road for an 18-month tour in Oct. 2008. (Redferns via Getty Images, AFP - Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  2. Average White Band

    Alan Gorrie, Malcolm “Molly” Duncan, Onnie McIntyre, Hamish Stuart, Roger Ball and Robbie McIntosh formed the Average White Band in 1971 in Dundee, Scotland. McIntosh died of a heroin overdose in 1974 and was replaced by Steve Ferrone. The band were known for hits such as “Pick Up the Pieces” and “Cut the Cake.” The band disbanded in 1982. Today, a version of the band still tours with original members McIntyre and Gorrie. (Average White Band) Back to slideshow navigation
  3. Chicago

    A group of DePaul University music students formed Chicago in 1967. The members included guitarist Terry Kath, keyboardist Robert Lamm, drummer Danny Seraphine, bassist Peter Cetera, saxophonist Walter Parazaider, trombonist James Pankow and trumpet player Lee Loughnane. The band released at least one disc a year during the 1970s. It has sold more than 120 million albums, with five No. 1 albums, and 21 top 10 hits. The band’s current lineup is Lamm, Pankow, Loughnane, Parazaider, Jason Scheff, Tris Imboden, Keith Howland and Lou Pardini. The band’s hits include “Baby, What a Big Surprise” and “If You Leave Me Now.” In 2009, Chicago toured with Earth, Wind and Fire. (Jerry T. Lai / Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  4. The Doobie Brothers

    Tim Johnston, Patrick Simmons, Dave Shorgen and John Hartman formed the Doobie Brothers in 1970. Over the years, the lineup went through many changes and included Michael Hossack, Tiran Porter, Keith Knudsen, Jeff “Skunk” Baxter, Michael McDonald, Bobby LaKind, John McFee, Chet McCracken, Cornelius Bumpus and Skylark among others. The band’s hits include “Listen to the Music,” “It Keeps You Runnin’” and “Black Water.” The band is on the road for the rest of 2009 and will be playing in Tempe, Ariz. on New Year’s Eve. (Courtesy of Sarah Marie Davis) Back to slideshow navigation
  5. The Eagles

    The Eagles started out as a backing band for Linda Rondstadt, whose manager, John Boylan, recruited session musicians Glenn Frey, Bernie Leadon and Randy Meisner. Frey invited Don Henley and the group played on Rondstadt’s 1972 self-titled album. The band recorded their first album, “Eagles,” in 1972 and went on to make six No. 1 albums. Their hits include, “Hotel California,” “Desperado” and “Heartache Tonight.” Leadon left the band in 1975 and was replaced by Joe Walsh. Meisner was eventually replaced by Timothy B. Schmit. The band broke up in 1980, but reunited in 1994 for “Hell Freezes Over.” In 2009, the Eagles are still touring in support of their latest album, “Long Road Out of Eden.” (Elektra/Asylum Records, Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  6. Journey

    In 1973, former Santana members Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie came together with Ross Valory, George Tickner and Priarie Prince to form Journey. Steve Perry joined the band in 1978. The band’s hits included “Wheel in the Sky,” “Don’t Stop Believing” and “Open Arms.” The band split in 1984, with Schon and Perry pursuing solo careers. The band reunited in 1995, but Perry left again in 1998 and was replaced by Steve Augeri. In 2006, Augeri was dropped from the band and replaced by Jeff Scott Soto, but he too was replaced, this time by Arnel Pineda of the cover band The Zoo, which Schon had seen on YouTube. (Steve C.Mitchell / EPA) Back to slideshow navigation
  7. Heart

    Sisters Ann and Nancy Wilson form the core of the band, which went through various lineups during the 1970s before finally settling on a lineup that featured Mike Fisher, Roger Fisher, Steve Fossen, John Hannah and Brian Jonstone. The members of the band changed throughout the years and included Michael DeRosier, Howard Leese, Mark Andes, Denny Carmassi, Scott Olson and others. The band’s hits included “Crazy on You,” “Magic Man,” “Barracuda” and “What About Love?” Heart is playing 15 dates on Journey’s 2009 tour. (Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  8. KC and the Sunshine Band

    Harry Wayne Casey (aka KC) formed KC and the Sunshine Band in 1973 in Miami, Fla. Original members Casey and Richard Finch, who quickly added Jerome Smith and Robert Johnson. The band's hits included “That’s the Way (I Like It),” “(Shake, Shake, Shake) Shake Your Booty,” “Get Down Tonight” and “Please Don’t Go.” The lineup changed a lot over the years and the current lineup has 14 members. Casey sang “Get Down Tonight” on the April 22, 2009 episode of “American Idol.” The band still performs, doing corporate gigs for companies such as IBM. (Martin Bernetti / AFP - Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  9. Aerosmith

    In 1970, Joe Perry, Tom Hamilton, Steven Tyler, Joey Kramer and Ray Tabano formed Aerosmith in Boston. Tabano was replaced by Brad Whitford in 1971 and the band broke into the mainstream with their 1975 album, “Toys In the Attic.” Drug problems caused Perry and Whitford to leave the band in 1979 and 1981, but both returned in 1984. The band has sold 150 million albums worldwide. They hold the record for the most gold and multi-platinum albums by an American band. Their hits include “Dream On,” “Walk This Way,” “Dude (Looks Like a Lady)” and “Cryin’.” The band was set to tour in 2009, but during a concert in Sturgis, S.D., Tyler fell from a catwalk on the stage, and the band was forced to cancel its tour. (Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  10. KISS

    KISS formed in New York in 1972. The original members were Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Ace Frehley and Peter Criss. The band is known for its distinctive makeup: The Demon (Simmons), Starchild (Stanley), Spaceman (Frehley) and Catman (Criss). The band’s hits included “Beth,” “Rock and Roll All Nite” and “Detroit Rock City.” In 1977, according to a Gallup poll, KISS was the most popular band in America. The band was also known for its merchandise, which included dolls, comic books, makeup kits and more. The band’s fans were known as the KISS Army. The band’s members all released solo albums in 1978, which marked the beginning of KISS’s decline. Criss and Frehley left the band in 1982. Stanley and Simmons continue to play with Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer as KISS. (Fernando Vergara / AP) Back to slideshow navigation
  11. Loggins & Messina

    Jim Messina had played with Poco and Buffalo Springfield before he teamed up with singer/songwriter Kenny Loggins in 1970. The duo made six albums in the ‘70s and sold 16 million records. Their hits included “Danny’s Song” and “A Love Song.” The duo split in 1970. “Things got a bit strained,” Loggins told msnbc.com. But in 2005, the pair got back together and released a compilation album and a live album. In 2009, the duo hit the road for a tour. (Loggins & Messina, Wireimage) Back to slideshow navigation
  12. Steve Miller Band

    Steve Miller formed the Steve Miller Band in 1967 in San Francisco. Miller, guitarist James Cook, bassist Lonnie Turner and drummer Tim Davis made up the original lineup, with Boz Scaggs joining soon after. Their hits included “Space Cowboy,” “Fly Like an Eagle,” “The Joker” and “Take the Money and Run.” The band’s lineup changed many times through the years and members have included “Sneaky” Pete Kleinow, Glyn Johns, Ross Valory, Les Dudek and Jim Smith, among others. The band has not released a new album since 1993’s "Wide River," but continues to tour. (www.stevemillerband.com) Back to slideshow navigation
  13. Styx

    Styx was born in 1972 and featured members Chuck and John Panozzo, Dennis DeYoung, John Curulewski and James “J.Y.” Young. The prog rockers’ hits included “Come Sail Away,” “Lady,” “Babe” and “Renegade.” Curulewski left the band in 1975 and was replaced by Tommy Shaw. The band’s 1983 album, “Kilroy Was Here” was a concept album set in a future where playing music is forbidden. Shaw left at the end of the “Kilroy” tour, and the band fizzled. Styx reunited in 1995, but split into two different bands both using the name in 1999. After a lawsuit, DeYoung was allowed to perform as “the voice of Styx.” The actual Styx features Shaw and JY. In 2009, Styx toured with REO Speedwagon and .38 Special. (Kevin Winter / Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  14. Tavares

    The Tavares brothers – Ralph, Pooch, Chubby, Butch and Tiny – started performing as kids in 1959. In 1973, they signed with Capitol Records and really crossed over in 1975. Their hits included, “Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel,” “Don’t Take Away the Music” and “Whodunit.” The band recorded the Bee Gees’ “More Than a Woman” for the “Saturday Night Fever” soundtrack. Ralph Tavares left the group to become a court officer in New Bedford, Mass. (Tavares, Sergio Vassiliu) Back to slideshow navigation
  15. Three Dog Night

    Singers Danny Hutton, Chuck Negron and Cory Wells formed Three Dog Night in 1968. Michael Allsup, Floyd Sneed, Joe Schermie and Jimmy Greenspoon comprised the rest of the band. The band’s hits included “Mama Told Me Not to Come” “Joy To the World” and “Black and White.” The band’s lineup shifted over the years with Sneed, Allsup and Schermie leaving to form their own group. The band played their final show in 1976. In 1981, they reunited for an EP that featured all the original members except Schermie. The lineup changed again throughout the ‘80s. The band still tours, playing 80 concerts a year. Founding members Wells, Hutton, Greenspoon and Allsup still play in the group. (Donald Kravitz / Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  16. The Village People

    French composer Jacques Morali came up with the concept for the Village People in 1977. The original members included Victor Willis (police officer), Felipe Rose (American Indian chief), Randy Jones (cowboy), Glenn Hughes (biker), David Hodo (construction worker) and Alex Briley (military man). Their hits included “Macho Man,” “Go West,” “Y.M.C.A.” and “Can’t Stop the Music.” The group was featured on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine in 1979. Later members included Ray Simpson, Jeff Olson and Eric Anzalone. Founder Morali died of AIDS in 1991. (Carol Rosegg, Reuters) Back to slideshow navigation
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