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    >>> it seems like more and more these days we're living in a women 's world. today women graduate from college in higher numbers, have higher gpas and get all kinds of work.

    >> but some men are not happy about this. there is a book called "manning

    up: how some women have turned men into boys." welcome. your book has caused quite the controversy.

    >> good for you.

    >> it conjures up images of seth grogan sitting around playing video games and being irresponsible.

    >> generally juvenile behavior, yes.

    >> men in their 20s and 30s who are now single, at one time in history, they would have been married or on the road to being married.

    >> they would have been like george bailey .

    >> now they really have to think, well, it's way far away . i don't know how many men have told me, i don't have to marry until i'm 30 or 40. they have a little bit of money in their pockets, they're working on their careers, and they're trying to figure it out.

    >> do you think women are smarter and all those things?

    >> i think it's those things, but i think there are other things going on. we have to look at the economy. a lot of these young guys now, instead of getting married or getting jobs, they're now in graduate school , they know placement is very difficult to come by as far as work, so they have that forced extended adolescence, so there are other things going on.

    >> and when you think about the biology, kids in general, we're living longer, so it might take longer to grow up. and the truth of the matter is, what's fun about being an adult? if you can play for as long as you can --

    >> but you're only able to play if someone is facilitating your play, and that's where parents are really letting their kids down, by not raising them to be adults.

    >> remember the other problem, which is men and women are on different tracks. so women , by the time they're in their late 20s or early 30s, they're thinking, i have to get moving here, and the guys don't have that. i think that creates a different mindset for women .

    >> and when you look at their parents, they're looking at their parents and saying, wait a minute. aut 50% divorce rate. my mom married my dad when she was 19 and has decided she wants to move on. they want to wait.

    >> there is anxiety, too. when you have so many different options, sometimes it's hard to know what track is actually right for you.

    >> that's right. and we have very, very high expectations for marriage these days.

    >> we make an awful lot of excuses. we really do.

    >> it's become a disposable sort of institution and we have to change that around, that it is important. but i think the other part of that is, it's okay, i think, at times to have this extended adolescence because some of these people are very brilliant. these are brilliant young men and women and they're working hard. they're having fun . what's wrong with that?

    >> i think it's necessary to delay marriage these days because careers are so difficult to get going, and because there is so much education people have to do, so i completely understand that.

    >> i think we're talking about two very different things. we're not talking about taking time with your life and your partner and your career, we're talking about laying around and being a slob and letting your parents take care of you.

    >> if you're living at home until you're 30, get out of the house. parents should say, it is time for you to get out and take responsibility for your own lives. i think that's a little bit different than for somebody just being a late bloomer and coming into their own a little bit later.

    >> talk about manning up and not being --

    >> what should women do? let's talk about that. there are a lot of men in that category. what's a woman to do?

    >> let me start with one, okay. one thing is, women have to be as smart about their love lives as they are about their career.

    >> know what they're dealing with.

    >> exactly right. number two, don't sit around waiting for your child man to grow up. he might. he probably will, but it may not be on your watch. so don't wait around for that.

    >> i tell you another thing women need to do, and this is what a lot of guys have said who have seen the book, read the article and so on. they're saying, wait a minute, we're pissed off because these women , yes, they have higher gpas, they're graduating in more numbers, and they're making more money than us, so why should we sit down at dinner and constantly pick up the tab! right, guys?

    >> i understand.

    >> that's not happening as much these days. women are sharing the check much more than they did in the past. but for a first date, i think men should man up and just do what's expected.

    >> man up and bring out the wallet, guys.

    >> thank you very much.

    >> it's an interesting book and has a lot of discussion. thanks for coming by.

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updated 3/22/2011 8:13:20 AM ET 2011-03-22T12:13:20

Today, women graduate from college in greater numbers, with higher grade point averages and even outearn men in several fields of work. How men feel about women’s new role in society is the subject of Kay Hymowitz’s new book, “Manning Up: How the Rise of Women Has Turned Men Into Boys.” Read an excerpt.

Where have the good men gone? I’ll bet you’ve heard some version of that question before. Laura Nolan, a commonsensical British woman in her thirties who lived in New York for five years and would like a husband and children but is hardly what you’d call desperate, put it this way: “We have an overload of man-boys — which leaves a generation of single, thirty-something women who are their natural mates bewildered.... An odd thing happens to man-boy brains at about the age of 30. Some neural pathway, hitherto well oiled through a diet of normal relationships and an awareness of such terms as ‘compromise’ and ‘I’m sorry,’ tunes in to a specific area of the brain labeled ‘navel-gazing.’ ”

Next time she’s in New York, Nolan might like to have coffee with Julie Klausner, comedian and author of I Don’t Care About Your Band, and one of many similarly disgruntled American women, though their beef is more often with men in their twenties.

“We are sick of hooking up with guys,” she writes, and by “guys” she means males who are not boys or men but something else entirely. “Guys talk about Star Wars like it’s not a movie made for people half their age; a guy’s idea of a perfect night is to hang around the PlayStation with his bandmates, or a trip to Vegas with his college friends. Guys feed you Chipotle and ride their bikes in traffic. They are more like the kids we babysat than the dads who drove us home.” One female reviewer of Klausner’s touchingly funny book wrote, “I had to stop several times while reading and think: wait, did I date this same guy?”

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Not so long ago, average mid-twenty-somethings, both male and female, had achieved most of the milestones of adulthood: high school diploma, financial independence, marriage, and children.

These days, they hang out in a novel sort of limbo, a hybrid state of semi-hormonal adolescence and responsible self-reliance. The limbo — I’ll be calling it pre-adulthood — has much to recommend it, especially for the college-educated men I’ll be writing about in this book. But it seems about time to state what has become obvious to legions of frustrated young women: it doesn’t tend to bring out the best in men. I know what you’re thinking: that description bears no resemblance to your prince of a son/nephew/friend/boyfriend. That may well be true. I’ve met a few such princes myself. Young men, like everything else in a postmodern world, come in many varieties, and there are numerous counterexamples to the child-man. But at this point, it’s looking pretty clear that ten or fifteen years of party-on single life are a good formula for producing navel-gazing, wisecracking childmen rather than unhyphenated, un-ironic men.

To understand why that is, we need to take a good look at this cultural habitat of pre-adulthood. Decades in the unfolding, the limbo of the twenty- and early thirty-something years probably strikes many readers as not especially noteworthy. After all, the media has been crowded with pre-adults for almost two decades.

Adolescents saturated the cultural imagination from Elvis in the 1950s to the Beatles in the 1960s to John Hughes in the 1980s, but by the 1990s the media jilted the teen for the twenty-something. Movies started the affair in the early 1990s with such titles as Singles, Reality Bites, Single White Female, and Swingers. Television soon deepened the relationship. Monica, Joey, Rachel, and Ross; Jerry and Elaine; Carrie, Miranda, et al.: these singles were the most popular characters on television in the United States and just about everywhere else on the globe where people own televisions.

But despite its familiar media presence, pre-adulthood represents a momentous sociological development, much as the appearance of adolescence did in the early twentieth century. It’s not exaggerating things to say that large numbers of single, young men and women living independently while also carrying enough disposable income in their wallets to avoid ever messing up their kitchens is something entirely new to human experience. The vast majority of humans have spent their lives as part of families — first, the one created by their own parents, and then soon after that, the one they entered through marriage — for the simple reason that no one (well, almost no one) could survive on their own.

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Yes, during other points in Western history, young people waited to marry until their mid- and sometimes even their later twenties (though almost never living independently before they wed), and yes, office girls and bachelor lawyers have been working and finding amusement in cities for more than a century. But their numbers and their money supply were small enough to keep them minor players in both the social ecology and the economy. Pre-adults are a different matter: they are a major demographic event.

What also makes pre-adulthood something new and big — and what begins to explain why the “Where have the good men gone?” question won’t go away — is its radical reversal of the sexual hierarchy. Among pre-adults, women are the first sex. Women graduate from college in greater numbers than men, with higher grade point averages; more extracurricular experiences, including study abroad; and as most professors tell it, more confidence, drive, and plans for the future. They are aggressively independent; they don’t need to rely on any man, that’s for sure. These strengths carry them through much of their twenties, when they are more likely to be in grad school and making strides in the workplace, to be buying apartments and otherwise in aspiring mode. In an increasing number of cities, they are even outearning their brothers and boyfriends.

By contrast, men can come across as aging frat boys, maladroit geeks, or unwashed slackers. The gender gap was crystallized — or perhaps caricatured is the better word — by the director Judd Apatow in his hit 2007 movie Knocked Up through his 23-year-old hero Ben Stone and Alison, the woman Ben accidentally impregnates after a drunken meeting at a club. Ben lives in a Los Angeles crash pad with a group of grubby friends who spend their days playing video games, smoking pot, and unsuccessfully planning the launch of their porn website. Alison, though hardly a matron, makes Ben look as if he’s still in middle school. She is on her way up as a reporter at E! Entertainment network and lives in an apartment in the guesthouse of her sister’s well-appointed home with what appear to be clean sheets and towels. Once she decides to have the baby, she figures out what needs to be done and does it. Either under the influence of mind-altering substances or in his natural state of goofball befuddlement, Ben can only stumble his way to responsible adulthood.

Here we have the two sexes of young urban singlehood, male and female, one lazy, crude, and immature, the other put-together, smart, and ambitious. (Think also of Bart and Lisa Simpson, Anthony and Meadow Soprano, and the male and female characters in just about every coed commercial on television.) Skeptics will be quick to object that these are just popular-culture confections, and so they are. But they reflect real trends in the predicament of the sexes in the contemporary world.

Articles and books with such titles as “The End of Men,” “Are Men Necessary?,” The Decline of Males, “The Death of Macho,” “Women Will Rule the World,” and “Is There Anything Good About Men?” point toward a growing recognition that men are not thriving in today’s cultural and economic environment. Pre-adulthood, a time of life when the middle-class kids first become independent, when after two decades of high-stakes schooling and helicopter parenting no one is telling them when papers are due or summer vacation starts, when, in short, the future is finally pretty much in their own hands, should be able to cast fresh light on the question of what’s the- matter-with-guys-today.

From "Manning Up: How the Rise of Women Has Turned Men Into Boys" by Kay Hymowitz. Copyright © 2011. Reprinted by permission of Basic Books.

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