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    ANN CURRY, anchor: This morning on TODAY'S DAILY DOSE , dealing with aging. The single fastest growing age group are those reaching 100 years old, but what can you expect from your mind and your body when you age? We've got Dr. Marc Agronin , he's

    a geriatric psychiatrist and the author of "How We Age: A Doctor's Journey Into the Heart of Growing Old ." And also, of course, returning now is Dr. Nancy Snyderman , NBC 's chief medical editor. Good morning to both of you once again.

    Dr. NANCY SNYDERMAN reporting: Hey, Annie.

    Dr. MARC AGRONIN (Author, "How We Age"): Good morning. Good morning.

    CURRY: So Dr. Agronin , let me start with you because, you know, you just mentioned to me earlier that the average age of the people you work with...

    Dr. AGRONIN: Mm-hmm.

    CURRY: ...is 90.

    Dr. AGRONIN: Yes.

    CURRY: So what does this tell you given that there is such an anti-aging bias in our country, what does that teach you or tell you about aging that perhaps we could maybe gain from?

    Dr. AGRONIN: I think sometimes we tend to focus too much on the down side of aging, on the losses people face as they age, on illness, on death. What I've seen from working with older individuals is that we have to also focus on the positive elements, the fact that even as we age there are new opportunities and new connections and for so many individuals it can really be a wonderful time of life.

    SNYDERMAN: And I think for a lot of...

    CURRY: I think for a lot of us this is news that there is an up side.

    SNYDERMAN: Well, I think for a lot of -- well, I think for a lot of baby boomers it's like, 'Well, I'm not going to die.' No, that's not an option, you're going to. The question is how do you embrace that second half of your life and own it? And I think that's where the extraordinary exciting work is being done.

    Dr. AGRONIN: It's true, it has to be not just about living longer but living better.

    CURRY: Mm.

    SNYDERMAN: Yeah. Yeah.

    Dr. AGRONIN: And the fact is that these are opportunities that we all have, but we have to have a positive attitude about it.

    CURRY: Deep -- live more deeply with a richer sense of life and sort of making the connection, you're talking about in our minds, in a joyful way.

    Dr. AGRONIN: It's true. And as people get older we also see that they have a better ability to be more positive, contrary to what people think, we tend to think that most people are depressed as they get older, but that's simply not true.

    SNYDERMAN: Yeah.

    CURRY: Well, maybe that's an example of our first question, we've got an e-mail question from Ann and she writes, "My father, 82, has Alzheimer 's that he developed quickly over the last few months and it has been terrible to see him go through this. How can I protect myself from this disease? Is here clear evidence that we can prevent Alzheimer 's?"

    Dr. AGRONIN: This is one of the most common concerns that children and grandchildren have of an older relative. Not every memory lapse as we get older means Alzheimer's disease .

    CURRY: Mm.

    Dr. AGRONIN: And so my first question would be is this actually Alzheimer's disease ?

    SNYDERMAN: Right.

    Dr. AGRONIN: There could be some other form of memory impairment, many of which are reversible. So the person really needs a thorough evaluation. The main risk factor is age, the older we get the greater risk there is of Alzheimer's disease , even more so than genetic factors.

    CURRY: Are you suggesting -- I mean, certainly she's probably had her father looked at -- I mean, are you suggesting that sometimes doctors might, and maybe this is a question for you, Nancy , might look at an elderly person and maybe not go into sort of looking at all the possible other options and just kind of...

    SNYDERMAN: I think the -- I think the dangerous thing is to make the assumption...

    CURRY: Ah.

    SNYDERMAN: ...that the correct diagnosis has been made. And not all dementia is Alzheimer 's. And I would say to every baby boomer kid parent middle child out there, go to your parents' medicine cabinet and pull everything out because sometimes drug-drug interaction can masquerade as dementia, which is automatically diagnosed as Alzheimer 's, which takes you down the wrong path.

    CURRY: OK.

    SNYDERMAN: They are not all the same thing.

    Dr. AGRONIN: It's...

    CURRY: Barbara -- oh, go ahead.

    Dr. AGRONIN: ...it's true, you'd hate to make that diagnosis when it's really not true.

    SNYDERMAN: Right.

    CURRY: Right. OK. So that's -- so we almost have to kind of be our parents' advocate as well in all that.

    SNYDERMAN: Absolutely.

    Dr. AGRONIN: It's true.

    CURRY: OK. Barbara in Lowell , Massachusetts , is on Skype . Hello , Barbara . What's your question?

    BARBARA: Well, my question is how will -- how will compression of morbidity affect the baby boomers ?

    CURRY: Well, that's a smart question, Barbara .

    SNYDERMAN: Yeah.

    CURRY: What do you think, Dr. Agronin ?

    Dr. AGRONIN: Well, our greatest fear of aging is that we'll be sick and suffering a long time before we pass away, and so this term compression of morbidity really refers to the hope that it will be a very short period of time in which we would be ill before we actually die.

    CURRY: I see. I see. OK.

    SNYDERMAN: Right.

    CURRY: Thank you so much , Barbara , for your question. Let's move on to an e-mail from Peggy and she's from Wilmington , North Carolina . And she writes, "I am 79 and I'm on oxygen 24/7. It is more my mental feelings that bother me most. Nothing to look forward to, a feeling of hopelessness that is ongoing. The most exciting thing in my life is when my Star magazine comes." OK, Doctor, help us out.

    Dr. AGRONIN: This is someone who definitely needs more -- needs more social and mental stimulation from family or activities in the community. But I also would be concerned whether there's an element of depression.

    CURRY: Mm.

    Dr. AGRONIN: And so she really needs an evaluation. There's effective treatment, both talk therapy and medications. In the book I talk about a 96-year-old man who came to me with recurrent depression and yet we worked with him, he thrived in therapy. He came back to me and said, 'I have to tell you, my life has been turned around.' And this is at 96 when we tend to write people off that they can't make change, and yet it is possible.

    SNYDERMAN: And we do know that people who are depressed feel worse. When you feel worse, you're more depressed and it becomes this very vicious cycle. And in some cases, I think medications may also be indicated, you know, in some geriatric patients for antidepressants. But usually you have to at least extricate people from their depression and figure out what's causing it and break that cycle.

    CURRY: You're really talking about taking a new look at aging so that we will enhance our ability to have rich, full lives all the way up until we can't have one anymore.

    Dr. AGRONIN: Absolutely.

    CURRY: In other words, rethink that and not write ourselves or our family members off.

    Dr. AGRONIN: Mm-hmm.

    SNYDERMAN: Slide out at home plate.

    CURRY: All right.

    Dr. AGRONIN: Yes.

    SNYDERMAN: Live it big and slide out.

    CURRY: OK.

    SNYDERMAN: Don't do anything that draws out the bad stuff, live a big life , do it right and slide out.

    Dr. AGRONIN: It's never too late to make changes.

    CURRY: All right. And the book is called " How We Age ." Thank you so much , Dr. Marc Agronin ...

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updated 2/16/2011 7:37:11 PM ET 2011-02-17T00:37:11

Nothing in Marc Agronin’s medical training had quite prepared him for what he was to discover in a Miami nursing home at the beginning of his career. It was there that he learned that the true scales of aging aren’t one-sided. Drawing on personal experiences and in-depth interviews with pioneers in the field, Agronin takes a look at what aging means today. Here's an excerpt.

Introduction

For nearly every doctor, the very first encounter in medical school with an old person is with a corpse. I discovered this fact on the first day of gross anatomy class when our instructors led us up to the dissection lab and introduced us to the rows of human cadavers that would serve as our teachers and companions for the next six months. Everyone was a little uneasy that morning, and I welcomed the nervous glances and smiles of classmates as we filtered through the room searching for what we hoped would be the perfect body. "Look for a thin woman," my labmates Steve and Jimmy each whispered to me, recalling the sage advice of an older classmate trying to steer us toward an easier dissection experience. "Who can tell?" I shot back, staring out at the dozen black slate tables in the room, topped off with human forms wrapped in heavy white gauze and covered with translucent plastic sheets. I reasoned to my labmates that it was like trying to find King Tut among a room full of mummies, and so we quickly abandoned our original plan and went for a table near the window. Even in the few short minutes we had spent in the room, the fumes of the formalin solution used to preserve the bodies were overpowering, and so I hoped that at least an open window would provide some respite from the smell.

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"Please help your labmates remove the plastic coverings on your cadaver," the professor called out, "and then strip off all of the gauze to expose the entire body." A shudder went through my own body, and I cringed. The entire body? "Yes, the entire body," the instructor continued, as if she were reading my mind, "and then pick it up and flip it over — get a good look." This was surely a technique not meant to teach as much as to flood our psyches with the glory of gross anatomy, dispensing all mystery and anxiety in one fell baptism of formalin. Entering the room had been unsettling enough, but at least then the cadavers had been covered. I had honestly never seen a dead body before and was hoping to put off the experience as long as possible. But within minutes I was surrounded by teams of sweating medical students piling up strips of smelly, greasy gauze and struggling to pick up rigid and very heavy formalin-logged bodies. I remember one particularly surreal moment as I watched four classmates bearing the strangest of grins as they hoisted the cadaver off the table, grunting at its weight and struggling to grip the slippery, leathery skin.

How the body ages: A guide to the ravages of time

The unmasking of the face of our cadaver unnerved me the most. I had hoped in vain to skip that altogether and heed the words of the second anatomy instructor, who was strutting through the room and cautioning against removing too much gauze so as not to dry out the body. He argued gruffly with the first instructor that her shock treatment was unnecessary, finally shouting, "If they can't stand looking at the body, they shouldn't be in medicine!" My labmates were more obedient to the initial instructions and summarily removed the plastic bag from the head and began to unravel the gauze. I stood back and envisioned seeing what archaeologists had discovered in the mummified faces of pharaohs — coal-black visages with bony physiognomy and time-scorched skin that resembled cracked china. Those ancient, royal faces looked more skeletal than human and lacked all of the machinery of expression that might have betrayed a final emotion.

When the last strip of gauze was peeled away, I looked down on the face of our cadaver, mesmerized by her silent, still expression, her upper cheek muscles and eyelids slightly scrunched as if a puff of air had been blown into her face at the moment of death. The face appeared inert, like a totem permanently carved into clay or stone and so different from the blushing, breathing face of a living person. And yet this had been a person, I realized, who once had walked the earth and lived a life like everyone else in the room — working, loving, running, eating, perhaps bearing and raising children. Although the identities of and any biographical information about the cadavers used in medical school anatomy courses are never revealed to the students, the unmasking of our cadaver revealed numerous deep facial wrinkles and a few thin strands of silver hair matted on her head that betrayed one critical fact: She had been quite old when she died. We later learned that she had been 98 at the time of her death from a heart attack.

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For many months after completing the gross anatomy course, I continued to wrestle with my experiences of working with a dead person. I would hearken back to a particularly vivid memory from class when the dissection required the corpses to be sitting upright on the slate table. Despite a somewhat human pose, everything sacred about both the body and its persona seemed stripped off the cadaver. Any small fantasies or fears of rejuvenation or zombification of the body that I still harbored by that point in the class faded away completely, and I said to myself, "There's no coming back." I now understood what the words "from dust to dust" meant. But this understanding did not bring satisfaction. I was particularly worried about how my growing lack of sensitivity toward the corpse could easily creep one step back to the extremely debilitated, aged patient. The two seemed, at times, to merge into one. I asked myself, "How does a doctor — how does anyone, for that matter — maintain a positive regard toward aging while simultaneously having to witness the loss, suffering, and utter degradation that it brings?"

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I have learned since then that these dismal equations of aging with decrepitude along with the rigid and defensive attitudes that they inspire are only one side of the story. The other side is too often overlooked in our dread of aging. This realization first came to me several months after completing gross anatomy when I began volunteering at a nursing home down the street from the medical school. I was assigned to visit Esther, a one-hundred-year-old woman who, I must admit, looked uncannily like the cadaver I had just spent the previous six months with! Surprisingly, this realization was not eerie but comforting. And Esther could not have been more of a delight to be with. Her mind and wit were sharp, she smiled constantly, and she reveled in our time together. One day she described to me in detail the births of her three children, then extended their life stories over decades to the present. One moment I was hearing about her beloved young children, and the next moment I was meeting them in person — then in their seventies! There were many moments when I closed my eyes and simply listened to Esther, losing track of the nearly 80 years between us. And I began to see age in a different context: Someone living with the daily infirmities of aging and approaching death could still enjoy most of the same human experiences we find so precious in younger years. Unfortunately, we often fail to see these positive elements in the lives of our elders because we are so focused on the physical or mental decline of aging. The body will certainly reach its limits, with death beyond our ability to predict or control. But the true failure here is not old age; rather, it is the failure of our own creativity and willingness to conceive that life up until its last moments has its own ways and meanings.

In the spring of my second year in medical school, Esther died several weeks after suffering a stroke. During our last visit, she struggled to talk and reach out to me despite the loss of speech wrought by a small clot in her brain. As with so many of the older patients with whom I had grown close over the years, I had put the possibility of her death out of my mind, imagining that she was actually my own age but just looked a little different. In fact, I have often employed such mental gymnastics to deal with aging and death in my own family. Shortly after my grandparents passed away, I compressed much of my grief into an odd fantasy that in the afterlife they had moved down to Miami Beach and were experiencing eternal bliss together, with endless sunny beaches and Early Bird Specials. Florida, I imagined, was actually some form of Shangri-La where all of our deceased elderly could be found happily wandering around if we just looked hard enough.

As fate would have it, I currently live and work in Miami as a doctor for old people — the very profession so derided in my early years of training. In this location, I frequently encounter several unique groups of elders, including aged Holocaust survivors and Cuban exiles, who have exerted a disproportionate influence on my clinical work and have inspired so much of my writing. To be more specific, I am the psychiatrist at the Miami Jewish Health Systems, the site of one of the largest nursing homes in the United States. Although people sometimes call my place of work "God's waiting room," they miss a much bigger picture. True, the average age of my patients is about 90 years old, meaning that I see a lot of people close to 100. The 80-year-olds who come to see me are like teenagers on my scale of things and the 70-year-olds — babies! And true, my job is to tend to all of the maladies and infirmities of aging. But as I first learned from Esther and then from countless others, the true scales of aging are not one-sided; the problems of aging must be weighed against the promises. In my work as a geriatric psychiatrist, I have learned that aging equals vitality, wisdom, creativity, spirit, and, ultimately, hope. And for an increasing number of aged individuals, these vital forces are growing by the day.

From “How We Age: A Doctor’s Journey Into the Heart of Growing Old” by Marc E. Agronin, M.D. Copyright © 2011. Reprinted by permission of Da Capo Lifelong Books.

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