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    ANN CURRY, co-host: This morning on TODAY'S RELATIONSHIPS , love and commitment. In her best-selling memoir, "Eat,_Pray,_Love," made into a movie starring Julia Roberts , author Elizabeth Gilbert wrote about her yearlong journey to unload the emotional baggage of her divorce and how she fell in love again while swearing never to remarry. Well, five years later Gilbert has indeed

    remarried and explains why in her new book, which is called "Committed: A Love Story ," now in paperback. Liz Gilbert , good morning.

    Ms. ELIZABETH GILBERT (Author, "Committed"): Good morning. How are you?

    CURRY: I mean -- I'm doing great.

    Ms. GILBERT: Good.

    CURRY: But what fun it is to talk to you about all of this.

    Ms. GILBERT: Thanks.

    CURRY: I think that your book and also the movie have touched so many, especially women. But to write a new book, having the big success of the other one, must have been an interesting journey for you.

    Ms. GILBERT: Yeah, just a tiny little bit of pressure there. And in fact it took me a while to come back into my natural voice because I was trying to figure out how to write a book that would please 10 million readers.

    CURRY: Mm.

    Ms. GILBERT: And in the end, the only way I could write this book about marriage was by focusing on the women who I know in my own life and the conversations that we've had over tea and wine for decades about love, relationship, divorce, commitment, and putting all of that, in addition to a lot of research, is the story.

    CURRY: So is there a thumbnail or an easy way for you to explain how a woman who swore never to remarry and went through the journey that we saw in the movie and in the book, that difficulty of breaking up and finding yourself anew, into sort of the woman who decides, 'OK, I'm jumping -- I'm not just putting my toe in, I'm jumping in both feet,' as you put it?

    Ms. GILBERT: There's a very easy way to describe it, it's called the Homeland Security Department . And what happened was my sweetheart, Felipe , as everybody knows from the movie, the Brazilian guy, he and I were building a relationship across continents together, he was coming in to the US a lot and he ended up getting detained by the INS at the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport .

    CURRY: Oh.

    Ms. GILBERT: I was with him and a homeland security gentleman basically announced to us that we would be getting married. And we like to call it a shotgun marriage with the US government holding the other end of the shotgun. Probably the only way we ever would have done it.

    CURRY: So then this book then is about really taking a look at what it means to be married.

    Ms. GILBERT: Yeah.

    CURRY: And one of the things that you write about is that, you know, love is not a good foundation for marriage . Now that's kind of an eyebrow raiser.

    Ms. GILBERT: It is. Well, I don't want to put it quite that strongly, love is an essential foundation of marriage but it's not the only foundation of marriage . And I think that one of the most interesting things I learned in my research was that when you take any society that traditionally built itself around arrange marriage and replace it with a society of romantic marriage , as we have done, you will immediately see divorce rates start to climb.

    CURRY: Mm.

    Ms. GILBERT: People can apparently live with each other forever if it's a business deal, but when it's a love deal and the love goes wrong, the disappointments are impossible for people to bear.

    CURRY: So it's one of the factors.

    Ms. GILBERT: It's one of them.

    CURRY: And so what are the other -- what are the other must-have factors in your view...

    Ms. GILBERT: I feel like it's...

    CURRY: ...in your -- in your exploration of this?

    Ms. GILBERT: Yeah, I think it's a four-pronged estate marriage . I think there's love, of course, which is essential, but it's also a financial relationship, as anyone who's ever been through a possibly bankrupting divorce would know.

    CURRY: Mm.

    Ms. GILBERT: It's a relationship with the government and with the sort of spiritual aspect of whatever church you're involved with, and it's a relationship that brings two families together, and you have to make sure that all of those things are healthy and it's not just you and me against the world in this sort of maybe youthful Romeo and Juliet fantasy.

    CURRY: So it -- so it sounds like it really is not something in your prescription that really young people should be doing.

    Ms. GILBERT: Well, not just my prescription, although I am a cautionary tale on that, having gotten married very young and unsuccessfully the first time, but the statistics show it again and again and again that for women in particular if there is a secret to a happy marriage it's mostly based in waiting until you are an adult. And adulthood starts later in life than it used to, you know, adolescence has been extended for some people into their 30s these days. You have to wait until you really square yourself away and then you find a partner who's reasonable for you.

    CURRY: There's a quote in -- on page 130 that basically says that "Anyone can love the most wonderful parts of another person, but that's not the clever trick, the really clever trick is this, can you accept the flaws?"

    Ms. GILBERT: Right. Therein lies the rub, right? And one thing that my husband and I did before we got married was to make a list for each other of our own respective worst flaws, just the top five because otherwise it would have gone on for too long, you know? And we just -- we just put them in front of each other. And it's kind of the opposite of seduction, right, seduction and romance is all about presenting the other person with the most elaborately staged version of yourself. But when it comes time to get married, I think you do sort of have to turn on all the lights and lay it out there, and almost like a buyer or seller's disclosure in buying a house, like termites in the basement, you know, nice solarium but you might want to know about some of these facts, and then learn how to work around those.

    CURRY: You really have taken the romance out of all of this, you know?

    Ms. GILBERT: It's terrible, isn't it? Well, fortunately the romance has always been there, that's not the problem, you know what I mean , the problem between me and my husband was never going to be romance, we always had that, the problem was how do we fix a life that actually makes sense pragmatically in the real world ?

    CURRY: Mm-hmm. And so as you step forward, then, in this marriage ...

    Ms. GILBERT: Mm-hmm.

    CURRY: ...this kind -- this kind of dialogue that was started has to sort of be continued, I would think, in your view, that for it to stay strong and...

    Ms. GILBERT: I think so. And all the marriages that I really admire, the people who have been together, like my parents now for 45 years, my grandparents for 60, I look at those marriages and what amazes me is not so much their endurance but the fact that they're always being tinkered with.

    CURRY: Mm.

    Ms. GILBERT: You know? That it's not like they arrived at some sort of solution for how to stay together and then just, you know, glided through years, they're working on it every single day and that's what's necessary.

    CURRY: A lot of wisdom in what you've said today and in your book.

    Ms. GILBERT: Thanks, Ann.

    CURRY: Liz Gilbert , thank you so much .

    Ms. GILBERT: Thank you.

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Picking up where her No. 1 New York Times best-selling memoir “Eat, Pray, Love” left off, Elizabeth Gilbert’s “Committed: A Love Story” recounts the author’s trepidations as she prepares to marry Felipe, the Brazilian-born man of Australian citizenship she’d met in Bali. Here’s an excerpt.

Chapter 1: Marriage and surprises

Late one afternoon in the summer of 2006, I found myself in a small village in northern Vietnam, sitting around a sooty kitchen fire with a number of local women whose language I did not speak, trying to ask them questions about marriage.

For several months already, I had been traveling across Southeast Asia with a man who was soon to become my husband. I suppose the conventional term for such an individual would be “fiancé,” but neither one of us was very comfortable with that word, so we weren’t using it. In fact, neither one of us was very comfortable with this whole idea of matrimony at all. Marriage was not something we had ever planned with each other, nor was it something either of us wanted. Yet providence had interfered with our plans, which was why we were now wandering haphazardly across Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Indonesia, all the while making urgent — even desperate — efforts to return to America and wed.

The man in question had been my lover, my sweetheart, for over two years by then, and in these pages I shall call him Felipe. Felipe is a kind, affectionate Brazilian gentleman, seventeen years my senior, whom I’d met on another journey (an actual planned journey) that I’d taken around the world a few years earlier in an effort to mend a severely broken heart. Near the end of those travels, I’d encountered Felipe, who had been living quietly and alone in Bali for years, nursing his own broken heart. What had followed was attraction, then a slow courtship, and then, much to our mutual wonderment, love.

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Our resistance to marriage, then, had nothing to do with an absence of love. On the contrary, Felipe and I loved each other unreservedly. We were happy to make all sorts of promises to stay together faithfully forever. We had even sworn lifelong fidelity to each other already, although quite privately. The problem was that the two of us were both survivors of bad divorces, and we’d been so badly gutted by our experiences that the very idea of legal marriage — with anyone, even with such nice people as each other — filled us with a heavy sense of dread.

As a rule, of course, most divorces are pretty bad (Rebecca West observed that “getting a divorce is nearly always as cheerful and useful an occupation as breaking very valuable china”), and our divorces had been no exception. On the mighty cosmic one-to-ten Scale of Divorce Badness (where one equals an amicably executed separation, and ten equals ... well, an actual execution), I would probably rate my own divorce as something like a 7.5. No suicides or homicides had resulted, but aside from that, the rupture had been about as ugly a proceeding as two otherwise well-mannered people could have possibly manifested. And it had dragged on for more than two years.

As for Felipe, his first marriage (to an intelligent, professional Australian woman) had ended almost a decade before we’d met in Bali. His divorce had unfolded graciously enough at the time, but losing his wife (and access to the house and kids and almost two decades of history that came along with her) had inflicted on this good man a lingering legacy of sadness, with special emphases on regret, isolation, and economic anxiety.

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Our experiences, then, had left the two of us taxed, troubled, and decidedly suspicious of the joys of holy wedded matrimony. Like anyone who has ever walked through the valley of the shadow of divorce, Felipe and I had each learned firsthand this distressing truth: that every intimacy carries, secreted somewhere below its initial lovely surfaces, the ever-coiled makings of complete catastrophe. We had also learned that marriage is an estate that is very much easier to enter than it is to exit. Unfenced by law, the unmarried lover can quit a bad relationship at any time. But you — the legally married person who wants to escape doomed love — may soon discover that a significant portion of your marriage contract belongs to the State, and that it sometimes takes a very long while for the State to grant you your leave. Thus, you can feasibly find yourself trapped for months or even years in a loveless legal bond that has come to feel rather like a burning building. A burning building in which you, my friend, are handcuffed to a radiator somewhere down in the basement, unable to wrench yourself free, while the smoke billows forth and the rafters are collapsing ...

I’m sorry — does all this sound unenthusiastic?

I share these unpleasant thoughts only to explain why Felipe and I had made a rather unusual pact with each other, right from the beginning of our love story. We had sworn with all our hearts to never, ever, under any circumstances, marry. We had even promised never to blend together our finances or our worldly assets, in order to avoid the potential nightmare of ever again having to divvy up an explosive personal munitions dump of shared mortgages, deeds, property, bank accounts, kitchen appliances, and favorite books. These promises having been duly pledged, the two of us proceeded forth into our carefully partitioned companionship with a real sense of calmness. For just as a sworn engagement can bring to so many other couples a sensation of encircling protection, our vow never to marry had cloaked the two of us in all the emotional security we required in order to try once more at love. And this commitment of ours — consciously devoid of official commitment—felt miraculous in its liberation. It felt as though we had found the Northwest Passage of Perfect Intimacy — something that, as García Márquez wrote, “resembled love, but without the problems of love.”

So that’s what we’d been doing up until the spring of 2006: minding our own business, building a delicately divided life together in unfettered contentment. And that is very well how we might have gone on living happily ever after, except for one terribly inconvenient interference.

The United States Department of Homeland Security got involved.

Reprinted by arrangement with Penguin Books, a member of Penguin Group (USA) Inc., from "Committed" by Elizabeth Gilbert. Copyright © 2011 by Elizabeth Gilbert

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