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    MATT LAUER, co-host: Now our -- to our interview with President George W. Bush , his first since leaving office. He talked extensively about his presidency as he gets set to release his new memoir, " Decision Points," tomorrow. And he told me how his decision not to pardon a type -- a top White House aide almost cost him his friendship with Vice President Dick Cheney . I think, President Bush , you're going to get a lot of attention for a story you put in the book about the last portion of your presidency when you had a decision to make concerning Scooter Libby .

    President GEORGE W. BUSH: Yes.

    LAUER: And he had been convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice and sentenced to 30 years in prison. And you had a choice, you could've done nothing.

    Pres. BUSH: Right.

    LAUER: You could've commuted his sentence or issued a full pardon. You thought long and hard about it.

    Pres. BUSH: I did. Scooter is a loyal American who worked for Vice President Cheney who got caught up in a -- in this Valerie Plame case and was indicted and convicted. And I chose to commute his sentence. I felt he had paid enough of a penalty.

    LAUER: Critics immediately said, you know, if you're loyal to Bush , you don't have to go to prison. So you -- so it didn't come without a price.

    Pres. BUSH: That's right .

    LAUER: And yet Vice President Cheney wanted more.

    Pres. BUSH: He did. He wanted me to pardon him. And this is a decision that was -- it was the last decision of the presidency, really. And I chose to let the jury verdict stand after some serious deliberation. And it -- the vice president was angry and...

    LAUER: Yeah. When you went to him and you told him, you said he was furious. He said, 'I can't believe you're going to leave a soldier on the battlefield.'

    Pres. BUSH: Yeah, he did.

    LAUER: Has your relationship with Dick Cheney ever recovered from failing to give the pardon?

    Pres. BUSH: It has. I'm pleased -- I'm pleased to report it has.

    LAUER: You're friends today?

    Pres. BUSH: We are friends today and he gave a very gracious speech on the way out of town there, at Andrews Air Force Base , and yeah, we are friends. I went by to see him, I've seen him since and talked to him and I'm pleased to report we are. I was a little concerned at one time, but, no, it was a hard decision to make. But that's what you do when you're president, you make hard decisions.

    LAUER: President Bush also took me to the church where he married his wife , Laura , and he talked about he called the most important decision of his life, his decision to quit drinking years ago. In the book, you say, you know, faith is a walk.

    Pres. BUSH: Yeah, it is.

    LAUER: It's a journey and -- toward greater understanding. You said you can't prove that God exists , but that shouldn't be the standard of belief because you also can't prove that God doesn't exist.

    Pres. BUSH: Yeah. Exactly.

    LAUER: What was it in your life, President Bush , that made you re-examine your own faith and take a deeper look at it? Please, have a seat.

    Pres. BUSH: Thank you. I didn't like the person I was. I was drinking a lot. My parents did me a great favor, they planted the seed of faith, but I, you know, I'd go to church so I wouldn't irritate my mother.

    LAUER: President Bush says his faith helped him quit drinking cold turkey just after his 40th birthday.

    Pres. BUSH: Yeah, I'd have a beer and so the book starts out with Laura saying can you tell me a day in which you haven't had a drink?

    LAUER: Right.

    Pres. BUSH: And when you drink too much, the answer's, yes, I can. And then I couldn't remember a day. And you know, I could easily have a beer or two or a martini before dinner, bourbons, B&Bs , I was a drinker. Now I wasn't a knee walking drunk.

    LAUER: You were like a habitual drinker as opposed to an alcoholic.

    Pres. BUSH: Exactly. Nevertheless, in either case, alcohol becomes central to your life and I finally woke up and realized that I did not want to live a life where alcohol was central. And I 'm convinced, I really am convinced, had I not quit drinking, I wouldn't be sitting here as a former president because I chronicle a few incidents...

    LAUER: Sure.

    Pres. BUSH: ...where alcohol made my quick tongue not only quick, but caused me to be stupid.

    LAUER: He'll actually share one of those stories during the interview. You can catch the entire interview with President Bush tonight, it's a one-hour

    prime-time special, "Decision Points: A Conversation with George W. Bush ." It airs at 8, 7 Central time right here on NBC . And then he will be here live in our studio on Wednesday morning. If you'd like to submit a question to President Bush , you can just go to todayshow.com or you can also give it to us on Twitter or Facebook .

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Matt Lauer will sit down with George W. Bush in the former president’s first one-on-one television interview since leaving office. The interview will air Monday, Nov. 8 at 8 p.m. ET as a special primetime “Matt Lauer Reports.” President Bush will then join Lauer live on TODAY on Wednesday, Nov. 10.

Former President George W. Bush says Vice President Dick Cheney angrily confronted him over Bush's decision not to pardon a former vice presidential aide over his role in the case of the leaked identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

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Bush, in an interview aired Monday on TODAY, said Cheney was angry that Bush only commuted the sentence of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, convicted of lying during the leak investigation.

Bush's appearance came as he begins promoting his memoir, "Decision Points." In the book, Bush recounts that a furious Cheney told him: "I can't believe you're going to leave a soldier on the battlefield."

Bush said he worried the incident would fracture his friendship with Cheney. But he said: "I'm pleased to report we are friends today."

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  24. Gonzales resigns

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