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    MEREDITH VIEIRA, co-host: Former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice is the first African-American woman to hold that post. Now she's out with a new memoir about growing up in the segregated South . We're going to talk to her in a moment, but first some of her story.

    Dr. CONDOLEEZZA RICE: I, Condoleezza Rice , do solemnly swear...

    VIEIRA: America 's chief diplomat, Stanford University provost, concert pianist. Condoleezza Rice 's achievements are mind-blowing. But until she was 25, there was one thing missing from her brilliant resume. She had never learned to swim. Not because she wouldn't have loved to. As a little girl growing up in Birmingham , Alabama , she was not allowed at the city pools because she was black . John and Angelina Rice named their only child after the Italian musical term "con dolcezza," "with sweetness," an ironic name for a woman known for her toughness. In 1963 , Birmingham was the epicenter of racial tensions and violence. Condoleezza was eight years old and at her own church, where her father was pastor, when she heard the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing two miles away.

    Ms. EVA CARTER (Family Friend): Well, we heard a noise outside, and we didn't know what it was. And in Birmingham at that time, we were used to bombings.

    VIEIRA: Four young black girls were killed. Condoleezza knew two of them, including little Denise McNair , pictured here with Condoleezza 's father.

    Ms. CARTER: For us, that really was a setback, to know that that -- someone really hated you that much. But John Rice took another spin on it and he said, 'Fight with your minds.'

    VIEIRA: So while Condoleezza continued with her studies, her father would patrol these streets with a shotgun to protect not only the community, but Condoleezza 's right to be educated.

    Ms. GENOA McPHATTER (Condoleezza's Aunt): When she first learned to play the piano, they went right away and purchased a piano for her. They made all of the resources available for her.

    VIEIRA: Including a trip to the White House to let their daughter know, even if she couldn't go where she wanted in her own neighborhood, she could be whatever she wanted.

    Ms. DANNETTA K. THORNTON OWENS (Condoleezza's French Teacher): I was impressed that here were parents who wanted to expose their kids to new experiences such as learning a foreign language and broadening her horizon. It lets a student know that the world is larger than just Birmingham , Alabama .

    VIEIRA: These days Condoleezza is at ease reflecting on her time on the world stage at home in Palo Alto , California .

    Dr. RICE: I got a lot of wonderful gifts when I was secretary of state . But one of the most special was given me by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon . It's a Torah.

    VIEIRA: Still practicing piano when she is not teaching political science at Stanford University .

    Dr. RICE: We're going to discuss the situation in North Korea .

    VIEIRA: Condoleezza Rice 's parents always believed education was the ticket to anywhere, and her ticket has gone very, very far.

    The memoir is called "Extraordinary, Ordinary People: A Memoir of Family ." Condoleezza Rice , such a pleasure to have you here this morning.

    Dr. RICE: It's nice to be with you , Meredith .

    VIEIRA: It has been two years...

    Dr. RICE: Yes.

    VIEIRA: ...since you left as secretary of state , the administration. When you get up in the morning now and you put on the news, do you wish you were back in the middle of it all, or are you so glad to be removed from it?

    Dr. RICE: No, I can now say, 'Oh, isn't that interesting?' and I know I don't have to do anything about what's in it. Of course I follow, like any citizen, but it's nice to be out of the pressure cooker, frankly.

    VIEIRA: Does the secretary of state , the current secretary of state , Hillary Clinton , ever call on you for your perspective?

    Dr. RICE: Well, I know her well. I first met her when she brought her freshman daughter to Stanford when I was provost. We've talked a couple of times, but, you know, when you're in that job, you really don't need people chirping from the outside. But she knows where to find me, and a couple of times she's found me.

    VIEIRA: So if she needs you, you are there for her.

    Dr. RICE: I'm there for her, absolutely.

    VIEIRA: I want to talk about this memoir because I think a lot of people assumed once you left Washington the first book you wrote would be about your time there.

    Dr. RICE: Right.

    VIEIRA: And that book is still to come.

    Dr. RICE: It is still to come, that's right.

    VIEIRA: But you decided to start with this memoir about your family, especially your parents. Why?

    Dr. RICE: Well, so many times people have said, 'How did you become who you are ? How did you do what you' -- I said, you had to know John and Angelina Rice in order to answer that question. So I wanted people to know John and Angelina Rice . I wanted them to know that I didn't somehow come full-blown from the head of Medusa . This was a family that nurtured and believed in education, and a community that did the same under really incredible circumstances of segregation.

    VIEIRA: Exactly. And you were -- you were growing up in the most segregated city in the entire country...

    Dr. RICE: That's right , yes.

    VIEIRA: ... Birmingham , Alabama , in the '60s.

    Dr. RICE: Right.

    VIEIRA: When those four little girls died in that church bombing, you knew two of them personally.

    Dr. RICE: I did. And Denise in particular was a friend, her family, very good friends. And I remember thinking, you know, 'How could people hate us so much?' But the wonderful thing about the people of Birmingham is that somehow they weren't made bitter by the experiences, they weren't beaten down by the experiences. They rose to the occasion. They proved that you might not be able to control your circumstances, but you can certainly control how you reacted to your circumstances.

    VIEIRA: Yeah, and you certainly proved that as a black woman in this country you could rise to be the most powerful black woman in politics in America , for sure. So I want to talk about a little bit the politics of today, get your perspective.

    Dr. RICE: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    VIEIRA: Starting with the Sudan .

    Dr. RICE: Yes.

    VIEIRA: George Clooney was just here...

    Dr. RICE: Yes.

    VIEIRA: ...talking about a ticking time bomb .

    Dr. RICE: Yes.

    VIEIRA: Darfur occurred during your administration.

    Dr. RICE: Right.

    VIEIRA: If you were secretary of state now, what would you do ?

    Dr. RICE: Well, I trust that Secretary Clinton -- and I saw Susan Rice , the ambassador to the UN -- they're doing everything they can do, but somehow the international community has got to mobilize to stop the potential slaughter that's coming.

    VIEIRA: Can it be stopped?

    Dr. RICE: It can be stopped. It can be stopped through diplomacy. There was a comprehensive peace agreement that was spearheaded by President Bush and by Colin Powell that finally ended the big civil war between the south and the north. Now diplomatic efforts have really got to be very much taken now to make sure that that doesn't result in another civil war . The international community has got to step up to the plate.

    VIEIRA: It's got to be somewhat frustrating, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan both were started during your time in Washington .

    Dr. RICE: Yeah.

    VIEIRA: We still have a presence in both places.

    Dr. RICE: Yes.

    VIEIRA: Are you surprised that we're still there?

    Dr. RICE: Oh, Meredith , history has a long arc, not a short one. And when you're talking about changing, really, decades and decades, even centuries of behavior, where people are trying to remove themselves from tyranny and learn to live with democratic institutions, it's going to take some time. But I'm an optimistic person because I've seen democracy triumph. I even saw a little girl from Birmingham , Alabama , become secretary of state , so what seems impossible one day later seems inevitable.

    VIEIRA: Condoleezza Rice , thank you so much . The book, "Extraordinary, Ordinary People ." We're back after your local news.

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In her memoir, “Extraordinary, Ordinary People,” former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice takes a deeply personal look at her childhood in the segregated South and shares how her story is an example of the quintessential American dream.

Starting early
My parents were anxious to give me a head start in life — perhaps a little too anxious. My first memory of confronting them and in a way declaring my independence was a conversation concerning their ill-conceived attempt to send me to first grade at the ripe age of three. My mother was teaching at Fairfield Industrial High School in Alabama, and the idea was to enroll me in the elementary school located on the same campus. I don’t know how they talked the principal into going along, but sure enough, on the first day of school in September 1958, my mother took me by the hand and walked me into Mrs. Jones’ classroom.

I was terrified of the other children and of Mrs. Jones, and I refused to stay. Each day we would repeat the scene, and each day my father would have to pick me up and take me to my grandmother’s house, where I would stay until the school day ended. Finally I told my mother that I didn’t want to go back because the teacher wore the same skirt every morning. I am sure this was not literally true. Perhaps I somehow already understood that my mother believed in good grooming and appropriate attire. Anyway, the logic of my argument aside, Mother and Daddy got the point and abandoned their attempt at really early childhood education.

I now think back on that time and laugh. John and Angelena were prepared to try just about anything — or to let me try just about anything — that could be called an educational opportunity. They were convinced that education was a kind of armor shielding me against everything — even the deep racism in Birmingham and across America.

They were bred to those views. They were both born in the South at the height of segregation and racial prejudice — Mother just outside of Birmingham, Alabama, in 1924 and Daddy in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in 1923. They were teenagers during the Great Depression, old enough to remember but too young to adopt the overly cautious financial habits of their parents. They were of the first generation of middle-class blacks to attend historically black colleges — institutions that previously had been for the children of the black elite. And like so many of their peers, they rigorously controlled their environment to preserve their dignity and their pride.

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Objectively, white people had all the power and blacks had none. “The White Man,” as my parents called “them,” controlled politics and the economy. This depersonalized collective noun spoke to the fact that my parents and their friends had few interactions with whites that were truly personal. In his wonderful book Colored People, Harvard professor Henry Louis “Skip” Gates Jr. recalled that his family and friends in West Virginia addressed white people by their professions — for example, “Mr. Policeman” or “Mr. Milkman.” Black folks in Birmingham didn’t even have that much contact. It was just “The White Man.”

Certainly, in any confrontation with a white person in Alabama you were bound to lose. But my parents believed that you could alter that equation through education, hard work, perfectly spoken English, and an appreciation for the “finer things” in “their” culture. If you were twice as good as they were, “they” might not like you but “they” had to respect you. One could find space for a fulfilling and productive life. There was nothing worse than being a helpless victim of your circumstances. My parents were determined to avoid that station in life. Needless to say, they were even more determined that I not end up that way.

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My parents were not blue bloods. Yes, there were blue bloods who were black. These were the families that had emerged during Reconstruction, many of whose patriarchs had been freed well before slavery ended. Those families had bloodlines going back to black lawyers and doctors of the late nineteenth century; some of their ancestral lines even included political figures such as Hiram Rhodes Revels, the first black United States senator. There were pockets of these families in the Northeast and a large colony in Chicago. Some had attended Ivy League schools, but others, particularly those from the South, sent their children to such respected institutions as Meharry Medical College, Fisk, Morehouse, Spelman, and the Tuskegee Institute. In some cases these families had been college-educated for several generations.

My mother’s family was not from this caste, though it was more patrician than my father’s. Mattie Lula Parrom, my maternal grandmother, was the daughter of a high-ranking official, perhaps a bishop, in the African Methodist Episcopal Church. Though details about her father, my great-grandfather, are sketchy, he was able to provide my grandmother with a first-rate education for a “colored” girl of that time. She was sent to a kind of finishing school called St. Mark’s Academy and was taught to play the piano by a European man who had come from Vienna. Grandmother had rich brown skin and very high cheekbones, exposing American Indian blood that was obvious, if ill-defined. She was deeply religious, unfailingly trusting in God, and cultured.

My grandfather Albert Robinson Ray III was one of six siblings, extremely fair-skinned and possibly the product of a white father and black mother. His sister Nancy had light eyes and auburn hair. There was also apparently an Italian branch of the family on his mother’s side, memorialized in the names of successive generations. There are several Altos; my mother and her grandmother were named Angelena; my aunt was named Genoa (though, as southerners, we call her “Gen-OH-a”); my cousin is Lativia; and I am Condoleezza, all attesting to that part of our heritage.

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Granddaddy Ray’s story is a bit difficult to tie down because he ran away from home when he was thirteen and did not reconnect with his family until he was an adult. According to family lore, Granddaddy used a tire iron to beat a white man who had assaulted his sister. Fearing for his life, he ran away and, later, found himself sitting in a train station with one token in his pocket in the wee hours of the morning. Many years later, Granddaddy would say that the sound of a train made him feel lonely. His last words before he died were to my mother. “Angelena,” he said, “we’re on this train alone.”

In any case, as Granddaddy sat alone in that station, a white man came over and asked what he was doing there at that hour of the night. For reasons that are not entirely clear, “Old Man Wheeler,” as he was known in our family, took my grandfather home and raised him with his sons. I remember very well going to my grandmother’s house in 1965 to tell her that Granddaddy had passed away at the hospital. She wailed and soon said, “Somebody call the Wheeler boys.” One came over to the house immediately. They were obviously just like family.

I’ve always been struck by this story because it speaks to the complicated history of blacks and whites in America. We came to this country as founding populations — Europeans and Africans. Our bloodlines have crossed and been intertwined by the ugly, sexual exploitation that was very much a part of slavery. Even in the depths of segregation, blacks and whites lived very close to one another. There are the familiar stories of black nannies who were “a part of the family,” raising the wealthy white children for whom they cared. But there are also inexplicable stories like that of my grandfather and the Wheelers.

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We still have a lot of trouble with the truth of how tangled our family histories are. These legacies are painful and remind us of America’s birth defect: slavery. I remember all the fuss about Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings a few years back. Are we kidding? I thought. Of course Jefferson had black children. I can also remember being asked how I felt when I learned that I apparently had two white great-grandfathers, one on each side of the family. I just considered it a fact — no feelings were necessary. We all have white ancestors, and some whites have black ancestors. Once at a Stanford football game, my father and I sat in front of a white man who reached out his hand and said, “My name is Rice too. And I’m from the South.” The man blanched when my father suggested we might be related.

It is just easier not to talk about all of this or to obscure it with the term “African American,” which recalls the immigration narrative. There are groups such as Mexican Americans, Korean Americans, and German Americans who retain a direct link to their immigrant ancestors. But the fact is that only a portion of those with black skin are direct descendants of African immigrants as is President Obama, who was born of a white American mother and a Kenyan father. There is a second narrative, which involves immigrants from the West Indies such as Colin Powell’s parents. And what of the descendants of slaves in the old Confederacy? I prefer “black” and “white.” These terms are starker and remind us that the first Europeans and the first Africans came to this country together — the Africans in chains.

Excerpted from “Extraordinary, Ordinary People” by Condoleezza Rice. Copyright © 2010 by Condoleezza Rice. Excerpted by permission of Crown Archetype, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher.

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