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General Hugh Shelton, who was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during 9/11, chronicles his journey to the highest level of the American military in his book, “Without Hesitation.” In this excerpt, he writes about a request from an official that left him seething.

Prologue
Early on in my days as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, we had small, weekly White House breakfasts in National Security Advisor Sandy Berger’s office that included me, Sandy, Bill Cohen (Secretary of Defense), Madeleine Albright (Secretary of State), George Tenet (head of the CIA), Leon Firth (VP chief of staff for security), Bill Richardson (ambassador to the U.N.), and a few other senior administration officials. These were informal sessions where we would gather around Berger’s table and talk about concerns over coffee and breakfast served by the White House dining facility. It was a comfortable setting that encouraged brainstorming of potential options on a variety of issues of the day.

During that time we had U-2 aircraft on reconnaissance sorties over Iraq. These planes were designed to fly at extremely high speeds and altitudes (over seventy thousand feet) both for pilot safety and to avoid detection.

At one of my very first breakfasts, while Berger and Cohen were engaged in a sidebar discussion down at one end of the table and Tenet and Richardson were preoccupied in another, one of the Cabinet members present leaned over to me and said, “Hugh, I know I shouldn’t even be asking you this, but what we really need in order to go in and take out Saddam is a precipitous event — something that would make us look good in the eyes of the world. Could you have one of our U-2s fly low enough — and slow enough — so as to guarantee that Saddam could shoot it down?”

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The hair on the back of my neck bristled, my teeth clenched, and my fists tightened. I was so mad I was about to explode. I looked across the table, thinking about the pilot in the U-2 and responded, “Of course we can ...” which prompted a big smile on the official’s face.

“You can?” was the excited reply.

“Why, of course we can,” I countered. “Just as soon as we get your ass qualified to fly it, I will have it flown just as low and slow as you want to go.”

The official reeled back and immediately the smile disappeared. “I knew I should not have asked that....”

“No, you should not have,” I strongly agreed, still shocked at the disrespect and sheer audacity of the question. “Remember, there is one of our great Americans flying that U-2, and you are asking me to intentionally send him or her to their death for an opportunity to kick Saddam. The last time I checked, we don’t operate like that here in America.”

I left the room that day but I never forgot it. I went back and I shared it with the Joint Chiefs — not revealing who the official was — but nonetheless getting into how it had played out. “You may not think those types of things still happen in Washington, but trust me — they do, and I’ve just been exposed to it. Keep your antennas up and do not ever fall into it.”

Looking back on the thirty-four years of my career that led up to my appointment as Chairman, I felt comfortable with the man I saw in the mirror. I had earned a solid reputation as an honest, straightforward role model for integrity, ethics, and selflessness — a leader whose moral character was beyond reproach. Now, as I proudly stepped into my position as highest-ranking military officer in all of the United States Armed Forces — the principal military adviser to the President and the National Security Council — I was excited to serve as a living example to the three million-plus men and women of our armed forces that it really is possible to rise to the top of one’s profession through character-based leadership and without its being at the expense of others.

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But what was I stepping into behind the heavily fortified walls of the Pentagon’s inner circle? Would subsequent White House gatherings attempt to drag me into more revolting conspiracies? I’d had bosses who asked me to steal for them, others to access and falsify their records. I’d seen my share of cowards and relieved them of duty. But never in those thirty-four years had I seen — or even imagined — anything that came close to a senior Cabinet member suggesting I be party to killing one of our great airmen in hopes of starting a war. Was this typical of what really went on at the highest levels of the United States government, the country I had passionately devoted my life to serve?

If my first few weeks as Chairman were any indication of the challenges the next four years would bring, I would have countless opportunities to call upon those principles deeply ingrained within me as a young boy in a small North Carolina town called Speed.

From “Without Hesitation” by General (Ret.) Hugh Shelton, 14th Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, with Ronald Levinson and Malcolm McConnell. Copyright © 2010 by the authors and reprinted by permission of St. Martin’s Press, LLC.

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Video: Assessing the war effort in Afghanistan

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    ANN CURRY, co-host: Back now at 7:45. In Afghanistan , violence is raging in spite of the US troop surge there. So what is the state of the war? We've got retired General Hugh Shelton . He's a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and also the

    author of a new book which is called "Without Hesitation: The Odyssey of an American Warrior ." General , good morning.

    General HUGH SHELTON, Retired (Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff): Good morning, Ann.

    CURRY: You were the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11 and you helped plan the initial attack on the Taliban and also on al-Qaeda that began less than a month later. So now as we begin our 10th year in Afghanistan , are you surprised that we are still there?

    Gen. SHELTON: Not at all surprised, Ann , and as I addressed in the -- in the book, the -- when we first went in, we seized the initiative, we had the Taliban , we took down the Taliban , we had al-Qaeda on the run. We had the initiative. But in 2003 , when we invaded Iraq , we diverted our attention and Afghanistan kind of went to the back page. Consequently, we saw a resurgence of the Taliban , a resurgence of al-Qaeda elements, and it wasn't until Stan McChrystal hit the ground, made an assessment and said, 'I need 40,000 more troops in the -- in order to regain that initiative,' that we really saw the problems that we faced in Afghanistan . You combine that with the Karzai government , the central government , having trouble establishing control , which by the way, George Tenet , on the morning of 12 September said very clearly that the major challenge that we will face in Afghanistan is getting control away from the war lords and establishing a central government . And today, as we see, the war lords still are in control . Heroin population -- heroin production has gone from 12 percent to about 90 percent since we've been there. So the war lords are still firmly in control . We...

    CURRY: On this basis, then, sir -- sorry to interrupt you -- how long do you think we're going to still be there? Is the president's drawdown in July, in your view, doable?

    Gen. SHELTON: Well, we've got great military leadership and the troops are doing a fantastic job. But, Ann , the larger issue is can Karzai establish control and do the nation building things for his own people that will allow him to have a stable government if we start coming out in 2011 or 2012 . And I think that's a bridge too far .

    CURRY: Hm.

    Gen. SHELTON: I do not believe that we'll have a stable government there that can withstand a US troop withdrawal that early.

    CURRY: So you're thinking we're going to be there longer than people might be expecting.

    Gen. SHELTON: If we are going to leave a stable government behind and not have it revert to the old Afghanistan that brought us 9 /11, I think that's exactly what the requirement will be.

    CURRY: Overnight we learned the -- from Afghanistan 's President Karzai that he's now confirmed these reports that he's been engaged in these informal talks with the Taliban . And he says that he's been doing this, quote, for "some time" in an effort to end the war. So is this a good sign or a bad sign? Could it hasten the end of this war?

    Gen. SHELTON: I think there's a possibility that it could hasten. I think the thing we have to be concerned about is on the -- what the conditions are that he agrees to. Certainly if he can strike some kind of a deal with the Taliban where he stays in control and gives them some minority position or whatever, I wouldn't rule that out as necessarily bad. Certainly it could lead to at least having a stable government as we start the withdrawal of our troops.

    CURRY: I've got to ask you about your book because you give high marks to former President Clinton , who named you the Joint Chiefs of Staff , and you gave mostly high marks to President Bush . But you did not give high marks -- in fact, you had the knives out for the former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld . You called him a know-it-all bully who beat the drum for war in Iraq on false pretenses. If that is true, then what was his motivation, sir?

    Gen. SHELTON: You know, I don't know what the motivation was, to be very candid, and I gave high marks to both presidents. I think they're both great men, they both did all the right things from my perspective, from a military perspective. I was very kind, I think, to Secretary Bill Clintonwho did a great job, and I didn't -- I don't like to say disparaging things about anyone, but I had to tell the truth about what I experienced during my entire four years. And in that regard, it was -- it was a -- I had to use some what would be considering disparaging remarks regarding Secretary Rumsfeld , whom I like personally, but the way his -- his style was such that it did not lead to teamwork and what I thought was best for America 's armed forces.

    CURRY: You say he put politics ahead of policy. And so in the end, as -- when we look back through history at what happened in Iraq , do you think he or President Bush will be vindicated, as some think that they might be?

    Gen. SHELTON: Well, I think school is still out on that question, Ann. It's a great question. And I think over time -- certainly Iraq is better without Saddam . I don't think there's any question Saddam needed to go. But what's going to be left for the Iraqi people is what's, I think, important. Once US forces are predominantly out of Iraq , will it, in fact, have a democratic type government , or will it just be an entree, if you will, for the Iranians to come in and seize control of Iraq , as we know they've wanted to do for a long time? And that's still an open question . We see some very troubling things going on in Iraq right now, their inability to seat a government , an anti-American coalition that's building there. So I think we've still got to -- we've just got to wait and see.

    CURRY: A book about a life, the making of a -- of a great general. And I want to really thank you for -- and also about history because of 9/11. And it's called " Without Hesitation ." General Hugh Shelton , thank you so much for being here this morning.

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