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    HODA KOTB, co-host: On Tuesday, yet a third recording believed to be a conversation between Oscar -winner Mel Gibson and his estranged girlfriend, Oksana Grigorieva , was released by Radar Online .

    WILLIE GEIST, co-host: The first two recordings released earlier this week unleashed what sounds like an angry Mel Gibson using racial slurs and threatening Oksana 's life.

    KOTB: Yeah. In this recording we hear Oksana speaking up. Let's listen.

    Ms. OKSANA GRIGORIEVA: You took me, you possessed me, everything I am. You own me with my liver and my kidneys and my thoughts and my soul. Everything. You control me like marionette. I don't belong to myself, only to you. I can't do anything and I walk on eggshells always with you.

    Mr. MEL GIBSON: That's because you're a......using whore.

    KOTB: Former DA and county Judge Jeanine Pirro is the host of "The Judge Jeanine Pirro Show." Great show. And Bonnie Fuller is the president and editor-in-chief of hollywoodlife.com. OK, we hear those -- we hear that recording and it -- just before we get into all the details, it sounds funny. It sounds like either she's reading or something doesn't sound just right about that.

    Judge JEANINE PIRRO (National Domestic Violence Hotline Board Member): You know, she has an accent. I don't know if she's reading or not reading.

    KOTB: Right.

    Judge PIRRO: But, you know, it doesn't matter to me. What this woman is trying to do is to get evidence of a crime.

    KOTB: Yeah.

    Judge PIRRO: And even though in California it's a two-party state, you need both parties to agree to a recorded phone call, there is an exception in the penal law which allows someone who's getting evidence of a felony, a violent felony, to tape record someone. So although some people will think this tape doesn't comes in, in comes in, it's not suppressible. This guy is a batterer. He is a psychological, emotional, financial abuser. He says, "I own you. You deserved it."

    KOTB: Mm-hmm.

    Judge PIRRO: He takes credit for the beating. It's all there. You've got a willing witness, corroboration, words coming from the mouth of the accused, it's all there.

    GEIST: And, Bonnie , so interesting, we haven't heard a single word from Mel Gibson or his camp. If he wanted to protest...

    KOTB: His kids. Yeah.

    GEIST: ...these in any way he would have done it by now. What does that tell you?

    Ms. BONNIE FULLER (President Editor-in-Chief, Hollywoodlife.com): Well, what it says to me is that he's getting advised to keep his mouth shut.

    KOTB: Mm-hmm.

    Ms. FULLER: And to keep everybody who's close to him quiet because I don't think they know everything that she has on him. And I don't think he wants to say something. They're waiting for the other show to drop. Besides, how do you defend against this? They have his voice on tape. He's not ever saying `that's not my voice.'

    KOTB: But even if this isn't admissible, Jeanine , let's pretend that they...

    Judge PIRRO: No, but it is. OK.

    KOTB: ... let's pretend it isn't.

    Judge PIRRO: OK.

    KOTB: Everybody has heard it, so what is...

    Judge PIRRO: Mm-hmm.

    KOTB: ...so what is that going to do to the case?

    Judge PIRRO: Well, you know, you've got -- you can get a jury and I've tried these cases. I started the first domestic violence unit.

    KOTB: Yeah.

    Judge PIRRO: You can say to the jurors, ` Look , that is not evidence that you can consider.' And then what the judge has to do is make it clear that they can't. So certainly in terms of his reputation, you know, he seems to be destroyed. He hates everybody. He hates women , he hates, you know -- he's anti-Semitic. But the bottom line is that he corroborates her claims. In addition to the child endangerment, he says when she says, `I was holding my baby and you hit me,' he admits to it and he says `you deserved it.' You've got child endangerment, felony assault, criminal threats, as well as threats on the phone.

    KOTB: So verbal threats count? I mean if it's a verbal threat ...

    Judge PIRRO: Yes, in California . Checked it out. California penal code absolutely a crime. Criminal harassment.

    Ms. FULLER: Now we've talked to attorneys also who say that he could get up to eight years in jail.

    Judge PIRRO: Yes.

    KOTB: Really?

    Judge PIRRO: Yes.

    Ms. FULLER: So he can't -- he doesn't know what he's doing next. I mean, forget his career being killed. This man could be behind bars for quite some time.

    Judge PIRRO: And you know, the shame is there are so many women out there and a great resource is the National Domestic Violence Hotline .

    KOTB: Mm-hmm.

    Judge PIRRO: The number's 1-800-799-SAFE. They can help women . There are so many women out there listening to us who have a problem. There's help, there's a resource. And, you know, this woman is classic. He is a classic batterer. Everything that comes out of his mouth is something that a batterer would say or do.

    Ms. FULLER: Now, Jeanine , though, don't you think, though, that she was coached? You feel she got legal counsel?

    Judge PIRRO: Yes.

    Ms. FULLER: I mean, everyone is talking about she's so calm in these tape recordings.

    Judge PIRRO: But, Bonnie , why did she do it? She did it because she's not considered credible.

    KOTB: Right.

    Judge PIRRO: Everybody loves this guy. He's this affable character. She's standing there saying, `I'm from Russia , you know, who's going to believe me.'

    Ms. FULLER: Right.

    Judge PIRRO: Well, you know what, she got the goods.

    KOTB: Is her career dead? Is her career over?

    Judge PIRRO: Her career ?

    KOTB: His career , I'm sorry, his career over?

    Ms. FULLER: You know what, his career -- first of all, his career was already over with the younger audience. They don't even know; it's Mel who?

    KOTB: Right. Yeah.

    Ms. FULLER: So he's got enough money to make his own movies...

    KOTB: Mm-hmm.

    Ms. FULLER: ...but he's got a long way to go before he's doing that.

Photos: Mel Gibson

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  1. Talk to the hand

    Jodie Foster directs Mel Gibson in the much-delayed film "The Beaver." Gibson is Walter Black, formerlly a successful toy executive and family man who now suffers from depression. No matter what he tries, Walter can't seem to get himself back on track ... until a beaver hand puppet enters his life. (Summit Entertainment) Back to slideshow navigation
  2. Ready to plead

    Gibson arrives at Airport Courthouse in Los Angeles on March 11, 2011. Prosecutors charged Gibson with misdemeanor battery after a lengthy investigation into a fight with his then-girlfriend Oksana Grigorieva. Gibson pleaded no contest to resolve the case and faced no jail time. (Mario Anzuoni / Reuters) Back to slideshow navigation
  3. Tough to hear

    At the height of her conflict with Gibson, Grigorieva released audio recordings through the website RadarOnline that captured Gibson raging against her. (Mikhail Metzel / AP) Back to slideshow navigation
  4. Short-lived romance

    After nearly 30 years of marriage to wife Robyn, Gibson left her for Grigorieva, who has a son from an earlier relationship with actor Timothy Dalton. Gibson and Grigorieva had a daughter, Lucia, on Oct. 30, 2009, but split up in April of 2010. (Jacques Brinon / AP) Back to slideshow navigation
  5. Will audiences come?

    Gibson, center, speaks on set during the filming of "Apocalypto" in 2006. This historical epic follows the decline of the Mayan civilization 600 years ago, just before Spanish invaders conquered Central America. The story revolves around one native who fights to save his culture from the outsiders. (Andrew Cooper / Icon Distribution via AP) Back to slideshow navigation
  6. After the rant

    Gibson had his police mug shot taken July 28, 2006, in Los Angeles after he was arrested for drunk driving. He was pulled over for speeding and had a blood alcohol reading of 0.12 percent, according to authorities. More notoriously, Gibson let loose an anti-Semitic tirade, blaming the Jewish people for all "the wars in the world." (Los Angeles County Sheriff's Dept.) Back to slideshow navigation
  7. 'Apocalypto' now

    Gibson pulls on his beard during a news conference held in Veracruz, Mexico, Friday, Oct. 28, 2005. Gibson announced the shooting of "Apocalypto," a film in which the dialogue is spoken in an obscure Mayan dialect. (David Hernandez / AP) Back to slideshow navigation
  8. Gibson's 'Passion'

    Gibson directs Jim Caviezel as Jesus on the set of Gibson's movie "The Passion of The Christ." The film was based on the last 12 hours in the life of Jesus Christ. The film grossed more than $370 million. Gibson was criticized by some for the film's perceived anti-Semitism. (Icon Prodictions via AP) Back to slideshow navigation
  9. Good soldier

    In "We Were Soldiers" (2002), Gibson played Lt. Colonel Hal Moore who, during the Vietnam War, had to lead his men into a small clearing where they were surrounded by 4,000 North Vietnamese soldiers. The ensuing battle was one of the most savage in U.S. history. (Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  10. Man of the People

    Gibson accepts his trophies for favorite motion picture star in a drama and favorite motion picture actor during the People's Choice Awards in January, 2001. (Lucy Nicholson / AFP - Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  11. Finding his inner female

    Gibson tried his hand at romantic comedy in "What Women Want" (2000). Nick (Gibson), a chauvinistic hot-shot advertising exec, has his life turned haywire when a fluke accident enables him to hear what women think. (Paramount Pictures) Back to slideshow navigation
  12. Seeking his son

    Gibson starred in 1996's "Ransom" as a multimillionaire whose young son (played by Brawley Nolte) is kidnapped for ransom. (Getty Images / Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  13. Oscar winner

    Mel Gibson holds Oscars for best director and best picture for "Braveheart," at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion in Los Angeles. Gibson shared the best picture award with producers Alan Ladd and Bruce Davey. (Jeff Haynes / AFP - Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  14. Director and star

    In "Braveheart" (1995), Gibson played William Wallace, a Scottish rebel who leads an uprising against the cruel English ruler Edward the Longshanks (Patrick McGoohan), who wishes to inherit the crown of Scotland for himself. (AFP -Getty Images) Back to slideshow navigation
  15. No pretty-boy role

    In "The Man Without a Face" (1993), Gibson plays Justin McLeod, a former teacher whose face was disfigured in an automobile accident and fire who lives as a recluse. He is befriended by a young man named Chuck (Nick Stahl), which ignites suspicion and hostility from the townspeople. (Everett Collection) Back to slideshow navigation
  16. Sci-fi drama

    In "Forever Young" (1992), a 1939 test pilot asks his best friend to use him as a guinea pig for a cryogenics experiment. Daniel McCormick (Gibson) wants to be frozen for a year so that he doesn't have to watch his love lying in a coma. The next thing Daniel knows he's awoken in 1992. The film also features a very young Elijah Wood, right. (Everett Collection) Back to slideshow navigation
  17. Together for decades

    Gibson and wife Robyn attended the "Hamlet" premiere in Los Angeles on Dec. 18, 1990. Gibson married Robyn Moore in 1980 and they divorced in 2009. They have seven children together. (Barry King / WireImage.com) Back to slideshow navigation
  18. A mother's son

    In "Hamlet" (1990), Gibson took on Shakespeare's melancholy Danish prince. Directed by Franco Zeffirelli, the film also starred Glenn Close as Hamlet's mother Gertrude. In real life, Close is only nine years older than Gibson. (Everett Collection) Back to slideshow navigation
  19. Come fly with me

    Gibson and Robert Downey Jr. starred in 1990's "Air America," about two pilots during the Vietnam War who discover their planes are being used to smuggle heroin. () Back to slideshow navigation
  20. It takes a team

    "Lethal Weapon" (1987) is the first of a series of movies that were released in 1987, 1989, 1992, and 1998, all starring Gibson and Danny Glover as a mismatched pair of Los Angeles police officers. (Everett Collection) Back to slideshow navigation
  21. A tradition begins

    People's "Sexiest Man Alive" list began in 1985 with Mel Gibson. That year Gibson also starred in the final (at least for now, as there are talks of resurrecting the franchise) "Mad Max" film, "Beyond Thunderdome," opposite Tina Turner. (People) Back to slideshow navigation
  22. Early troubles

    In 1984, Gibson starred as Fletcher Christian in "The Bounty," the story of Captain Bligh (Anthony Hopkins), whose cruelty leads to a mutiny on his ship. According to Wikipedia, Gibson and Hopkins did not get along during the shoot. At the time, Hopkins was a teetotaler, and Gibson was struggling with alcoholism. Gibson took to mixing two shots of Scotch with his beer. He dubbed the concoction "Liquid Violence." (Everett Collection) Back to slideshow navigation
  23. Stunning early performance

    "Gallipoli" (1981) tells the story of a group of young Australian men who leave their various backgrounds behind and sign up to join the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps (ANZACs) in World War I. They each meet their fates against the Turkish army in the infamous battle. (Everett Collection) Back to slideshow navigation
  24. 'Mad' Mel

    In "Mad Max" (1979), an Australian dystopia of decaying order and violent highways, a police pursuit driver is drawn into a path of vengeance after a motorcycle gang targets him for the death of their former leader. (Everett Collection) Back to slideshow navigation
  25. Auspicious beginnings

    Gibson made his feature-film debut in "Summer City" (1976), a low-budget Australian teen drama that chronicles the exploits of a quartet of boys who leave Sydney and head out for a weekend of surfing and adventure. Unfortunately the fun takes a serious turn when they find themselves involved in a murder. (Platinum Disc) Back to slideshow navigation
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